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To: RnMomof7
You said, Jesus said "It is finished" and it is !

You are right, but only as far as you go. He also said:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever." (John 6:54-59)

21 posted on 06/22/2002 7:25:16 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses
You keep returning to that when that was not my point. You have my permission to believe anything you like. It is a free country

My observation was on the validity of a daily repeat of the sacrifice that was once for all. My observation was it it's like the sacrifice of cain..no blood no remission of sin. A man made sacrifice not pleasing to God...

Jesus said It is finished..the sacrifice is complete for the remission of sin..there is no more sacrifice to be offered.

For those that come to that cross with a repentant heart He promises eternal life.

Sola Gracia ..no works ...no repeated sacrifice...He paid the price we could not pay..it insults Him , and His sacrifice that men think He could not get it right and they have to keep repeating it..

25 posted on 06/22/2002 7:39:16 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: narses; All
You used Jn 6:54ff earlier in this thread to support you notion of transsubstantiation.

Answer this: What part of Jesus' actual body did the bread turn into when he "consecrated" it? Where did that part go when He shared and ate it?

Why don't you people look at the totality of God's Word instead of hanging doctrine on a single verse in this passage? Don't you see the context of the passage? Verses 29 and 48 summarize my point. Jesus gives his apostles the symbolism of manna in the desert. The context is: bread that gives life! The bread is symbolic of the sacrifice that would come the next day and pay once and for all - the debt that was ours.

I am continually amazed at the utter ignorance of adherants to the RC cult. Works on top of Grace. Holiness attributed to sinful men. Re-enactments of a once, for all, sacrifice in order to be re-forgiven in the tradition of the Law. Satan has a strong grip on you and your church.

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The worst nightmare for a smoker is an ex-smoker. Listen the voice of an ex-Catholic: God's Plan does not require your contortions and complications. Read your Bibles instead of of your "Pontifical Councils."

If it weren't a matter of your eternal security, it would almost be laughable.

90 posted on 06/25/2002 5:32:24 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer
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