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To: narses; All
You used Jn 6:54ff earlier in this thread to support you notion of transsubstantiation.

Answer this: What part of Jesus' actual body did the bread turn into when he "consecrated" it? Where did that part go when He shared and ate it?

Why don't you people look at the totality of God's Word instead of hanging doctrine on a single verse in this passage? Don't you see the context of the passage? Verses 29 and 48 summarize my point. Jesus gives his apostles the symbolism of manna in the desert. The context is: bread that gives life! The bread is symbolic of the sacrifice that would come the next day and pay once and for all - the debt that was ours.

I am continually amazed at the utter ignorance of adherants to the RC cult. Works on top of Grace. Holiness attributed to sinful men. Re-enactments of a once, for all, sacrifice in order to be re-forgiven in the tradition of the Law. Satan has a strong grip on you and your church.

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The worst nightmare for a smoker is an ex-smoker. Listen the voice of an ex-Catholic: God's Plan does not require your contortions and complications. Read your Bibles instead of of your "Pontifical Councils."

If it weren't a matter of your eternal security, it would almost be laughable.

90 posted on 06/25/2002 5:32:24 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer
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To: kinsman redeemer
Listen the voice of an ex-Catholic: God's Plan does not require your contortions and complications. Read your Bibles instead of of your "Pontifical Councils."

Your voice, or God's voice? God spoke to the Apostles IN PERSON. He instructed them and their successors still instruct us BASED on the Bible. A Bible whose books were codified and selected by those self same apostolic successors. What direct revelation from God gives you the authority to speak for Him? Finally, if all that you claim is required is a Baptism and a personal relationship with God, how (in your mind) do the "contortions and complications" harm you or anyone else? Certainly every Catholic I know has been correctly baptized and has a personal relationship with God.

91 posted on 06/25/2002 6:05:57 AM PDT by narses
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To: kinsman redeemer
Listen the voice of an ex-Catholic: God's Plan does not require your contortions and complications. Read your Bibles instead of of your "Pontifical Councils."

Your voice, or God's voice? God spoke to the Apostles IN PERSON. He instructed them and their successors still instruct us BASED on the Bible. A Bible whose books were codified and selected by those self same apostolic successors. What direct revelation from God gives you the authority to speak for Him? Finally, if all that you claim is required is a Baptism and a personal relationship with God, how (in your mind) do the "contortions and complications" harm you or anyone else? Certainly every Catholic I know has been correctly baptized and has a personal relationship with God.

92 posted on 06/25/2002 6:05:58 AM PDT by narses
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