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To: narses
You keep returning to that when that was not my point. You have my permission to believe anything you like. It is a free country

My observation was on the validity of a daily repeat of the sacrifice that was once for all. My observation was it it's like the sacrifice of cain..no blood no remission of sin. A man made sacrifice not pleasing to God...

Jesus said It is finished..the sacrifice is complete for the remission of sin..there is no more sacrifice to be offered.

For those that come to that cross with a repentant heart He promises eternal life.

Sola Gracia ..no works ...no repeated sacrifice...He paid the price we could not pay..it insults Him , and His sacrifice that men think He could not get it right and they have to keep repeating it..

25 posted on 06/22/2002 7:39:16 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
"For those that come to that cross with a repentant heart He promises eternal life."

Really? What about (John 6:54-59)?

What about:

Jesus said to them: "I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." (John 6:48-52)

28 posted on 06/22/2002 7:41:36 PM PDT by narses
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To: RnMomof7
You really don't get it.
34 posted on 06/22/2002 8:05:02 PM PDT by ejo
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To: RnMomof7
He paid the price we could not pay..it insults Him , and His sacrifice that men think He could not get it right and they have to keep repeating it..

Rn, we celebrate the Mass to unite us with the one sacrifice of Jesus Christ at Calvary. We are not repeating a new sacrifice, or re-sacrificing Jesus, we are sharing in the one perfect sacrifice. In essense, we are with Jesus at Calvary.

I think these sentences explain it very well:

It means that we once again take the already sacrificed Christ, hold Him up to the Father, and say, "Father, look upon the Lamb that was slain for our sake. Through this holy and perfect Sacrifice, pardon our sins, and turn Your wrath away from us; be appeased by the pleasing odor of this unblemished Lamb." In order to do this, obviously, Christ must be made present again — which is why the priest transubstantiates the bread and wine into Christ's Body and Blood.

I know we've been through this debate in the past, and I doubt that I will be able to change your mind on this, but think about it and open your heart to try to understand.

God bless!

55 posted on 06/23/2002 8:49:37 AM PDT by Gophack
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