Apologetics, The Papacy, And Eastern Orthodoxy

Homiletic and Pastoral Review ^ | James Likoudis

[RnMomof7]

Excellent..make him a Bishop!

[Matchett-PI]

I wrote: "According to orthodox biblical Christianity:

The sovereign God can only be seen through the eyes of those who have the mind of Christ:

Paul: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him? But we (the regenerate brethren) have the mind of Christ [1 Cor.2:16]

Jesus: "... for ONE is your Master, [even] Christ; and you are ALL brethren." [Matt. 23:8]

Paul: "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man (one of "the brethren" in whom is the Holy Spirit) makes judgements about all things, but he, himself is not subject to __ANY__ man's judgement". [1 Cor.2:14]"

You replied: Since there are many versions of this, which one is true?

And I ask, what are the other versions? For each Scripture reference above, list the other "versions" or "interpretations" of it.

[Matchett-PI]

I wrote: "The sovereign God can only be seen through the eyes of those who have the mind of Christ".

You asked: "Who, pray tell?"

Certainly not those whose god is not sovereign in EVERYTHING.

[Catholicguy]

Just a suggestion; Why don't Y'all confine your charges and counter-charges to the several Calvinism V reformed Calvinism threads ALREADY EXISTING?

I am quite serious. You Calvinistic Gangbangers ought to keep your quarrels confined to your own turf. This thread is about the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/religion/704014/posts?page =59#59

[maryz]

Thanks for the link!

[Matchett-PI]

"This thread is about the Catholic and Orthodox Churches."

On the contrary. This thread is about what is stated here by the writer of the article:

"In the opinion of this writer, much of the force of Catholic doctrinal debate with ___Protestants___ is rendered ineffective unless a major premise is established first - namely that the Church mentioned throughout the pages of the New Testament is a visible entity, a visible society, a visible body which can be clearly and without difficulty identified as the true Church established by the Savior."

[Matchett-PI]

"Closed by whom, I ask?

Why did you change the subject of #236?

[RobbyS]

"the regenerate" is your interpolation. "We" could be the Church, and it is, in the case of this letter, the church in Corinth, at least those who are spiritual, rather than "carnal. " Paul starts out by expressing his concern with the divisions in the church. Then after contrasting the spiritual and the carnal , in Chapter 3 let's them have it with both barrels.

[RobbyS]

I think it all depends on what you mean by "closed canon."

[RobbyS]

Thanks for the link! I suggest ypu print it out and show it to people. All those Catholics who are such wet noodles about "gay-bashing" might be surprised to learn how the Holy Congregation wss worried about how the compassion of Catholics might be exploited by people who demand that the church comform with their desires.

[Matchett-PI]

"the regenerate" is your interpolation. "We" could be the Church, and it is, in the case of this letter, the church in Corinth, at least those who are spiritual, rather than "carnal. " Paul starts out by expressing his concern with the divisions in the church. Then after contrasting the spiritual and the carnal , in Chapter 3 let's them have it with both barrels."

"We" = "The Church" = "The Regenerate" = "The ELECT Lady" = "Those in whom the Holy Spirit resides" = "Those who have the mind of Christ".

The visible (temporal) church has a mixture of wheat and tares --- sheep and goats -- regenerate and unregenerate.

No goat -- no tare -- no unregenerate has "the mind of Christ".

So Paul says: "We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit that is from God, *that we may understand what God has freely given us*."

But "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man (one of "the brethren" in whom is the Holy Spirit) makes judgements about all things, but he, himself is not subject to __ANY__ man's judgement: For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?"

"But WE (the INVISIBLE church) have the mind of Christ" [1 Cor.2:12-16].

New "babes in Christ", are still more carnal than spiritual, but unlike those who still hate God, they are now "teachable" and able to know the things of God as He reveals them.

[don-o]

So, let us Orthodox, by all means, engage in dialogue with Holy Rome. But let us also not deceive ourselves respecting the enormous difficulties of the task.

Father Patrick is an excellent writer. In this essay, he brings forth the crucial issues that exist.

Thanks for posting it.

[FormerLib]

He believes in the "closed canon of Scripture"???

Perhaps you attempt to assign some special meaning to that term by putting it in quotes, but the Ecumenical councils established the New Testament books via a canon. And even the Protestants use that canon to this day. ;-)

[FormerLib]

I think it all depends on what you mean by "closed canon."

Indeed it does, particularly if he means observing the Council of Jamnia's edited version of the Old Testament.

[Conservative til I die]

This was good revisionist history. Thanks for the interesting history.

[Conservative til I die]

According to orthodox biblical Christianity: Since there are many versions of this, which one is true?

It's the Northern Central Louisiana Brethren of Christ Bible Church....no wait it's the Cenral Northern Louisiana Brethren of Christ Bible Church....oh wait, I hear their schisming tomorrow, so we'll have to see which half of the CNLBCBC condemns Harry Potter and Judas Priest more.

:)

[Conservative til I die]

Eh? The Protestants removed 7 books of the Bible because they didn't conform to the megalomaniac Luther's doctrine. I heard he would have removed more. Heck, to prove his theology, he would have had to burn the whole damn thing.

[FormerLib]

If you want more information, you way want to look over what a former Reformed Presbyterian Ruling Elder assembled on the subject located here.

Or you can continue to cut and paste the same lines of Scripture with your interpretation of them over and over and over again.

[FormerLib]

This was good revisionist history.

If you would point out the parts you believe are revisionist, we would be glad to address them.

[FormerLib]

Eh? The Protestants removed 7 books of the Bible...

All Old Testament books. I was specific about that in my original post. Yes, it's rather easy to suggest all manner of things when you take the time to first remove all evidence to the contrary. Lawyer's call that "excluding the evidence."