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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]
Scientific American ^ | 17 June 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up

When Charles Darwin introduced the theory of evolution through natural selection 143 years ago, the scientists of the day argued over it fiercely, but the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt. Today that battle has been won everywhere--except in the public imagination.

Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy. They lobby for creationist ideas such as "intelligent design" to be taught as alternatives to evolution in science classrooms. As this article goes to press, the Ohio Board of Education is debating whether to mandate such a change. Some antievolutionists, such as Philip E. Johnson, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley and author of Darwin on Trial, admit that they intend for intelligent-design theory to serve as a "wedge" for reopening science classrooms to discussions of God.

Besieged teachers and others may increasingly find themselves on the spot to defend evolution and refute creationism. The arguments that creationists use are typically specious and based on misunderstandings of (or outright lies about) evolution, but the number and diversity of the objections can put even well-informed people at a disadvantage.

To help with answering them, the following list rebuts some of the most common "scientific" arguments raised against evolution. It also directs readers to further sources for information and explains why creation science has no place in the classroom.

1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

2. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

3. Evolution is unscientific, because it is not testable or falsifiable. It makes claims about events that were not observed and can never be re-created. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

4. Increasingly, scientists doubt the truth of evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

5. The disagreements among even evolutionary biologists show how little solid science supports evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

7. Evolution cannot explain how life first appeared on earth. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

8. Mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

9. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that systems must become more disordered over time. Living cells therefore could not have evolved from inanimate chemicals, and multicellular life could not have evolved from protozoa. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

10. Mutations are essential to evolution theory, but mutations can only eliminate traits. They cannot produce new features. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

11. Natural selection might explain microevolution, but it cannot explain the origin of new species and higher orders of life. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

12. Nobody has ever seen a new species evolve. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

13. Evolutionists cannot point to any transitional fossils--creatures that are half reptile and half bird, for instance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

14. Living things have fantastically intricate features--at the anatomical, cellular and molecular levels--that could not function if they were any less complex or sophisticated. The only prudent conclusion is that they are the products of intelligent design, not evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

15. Recent discoveries prove that even at the microscopic level, life has a quality of complexity that could not have come about through evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

CONCLUSION
"Creation science" is a contradiction in terms. A central tenet of modern science is methodological naturalism--it seeks to explain the universe purely in terms of observed or testable natural mechanisms. Thus, physics describes the atomic nucleus with specific concepts governing matter and energy, and it tests those descriptions experimentally. Physicists introduce new particles, such as quarks, to flesh out their theories only when data show that the previous descriptions cannot adequately explain observed phenomena. The new particles do not have arbitrary properties, moreover--their definitions are tightly constrained, because the new particles must fit within the existing framework of physics.

In contrast, intelligent-design theorists invoke shadowy entities that conveniently have whatever unconstrained abilities are needed to solve the mystery at hand. Rather than expanding scientific inquiry, such answers shut it down. (How does one disprove the existence of omnipotent intelligences?)

Intelligent design offers few answers. For instance, when and how did a designing intelligence intervene in life's history? By creating the first DNA? The first cell? The first human? Was every species designed, or just a few early ones? Proponents of intelligent-design theory frequently decline to be pinned down on these points. They do not even make real attempts to reconcile their disparate ideas about intelligent design. Instead they pursue argument by exclusion--that is, they belittle evolutionary explanations as far-fetched or incomplete and then imply that only design-based alternatives remain.

Logically, this is misleading: even if one naturalistic explanation is flawed, it does not mean that all are. Moreover, it does not make one intelligent-design theory more reasonable than another. Listeners are essentially left to fill in the blanks for themselves, and some will undoubtedly do so by substituting their religious beliefs for scientific ideas.

Time and again, science has shown that methodological naturalism can push back ignorance, finding increasingly detailed and informative answers to mysteries that once seemed impenetrable: the nature of light, the causes of disease, how the brain works. Evolution is doing the same with the riddle of how the living world took shape. Creationism, by any name, adds nothing of intellectual value to the effort.

The Author(s):

John Rennie is editor in chief of Scientific American.


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To: Virginia-American
Macroevolution has not been proven nor does it meet the Scientific Method.

Microevolution does not lead beyond the confines of the species, and the typical products of microevolution, the geographic races, are not incipient species. There is no such category as incipient species. Richard B. Goldschmidt

Micro and/or breeds within a family species. Such as with a German Shepard and a Poodle, both are dogs and will not evolve into eagles.

641 posted on 06/17/2002 3:00:50 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: That Subliminal Kid
thankfully what humans can imagine is not a limitation on what can be.

Absolutely.

642 posted on 06/17/2002 3:01:43 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JediGirl
It always amazes how popular Pascal's Wager still is and that people don't realize that it's a false dichotomy.
Heck, usconservative (in post #551) repeats it even twice. D'oh!
643 posted on 06/17/2002 3:01:49 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: CyberCowboy777
Microevolution does not lead beyond the confines of the species, and the typical products of microevolution, the geographic races, are not incipient species. There is no such category as incipient species. Richard B. Goldschmidt

The argument to which you are responding rebutted this point. Goldschmidt (of the famous "Hopeful Monster" theory) has been out of date for 60 years.

644 posted on 06/17/2002 3:03:17 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro; Cyber Cowboy777
The argument to which you are responding rebutted this point.

More importantly, the main article (not "argument") dealt with the macro- / micro- dodge.

645 posted on 06/17/2002 3:04:40 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: yendu bwam
Yes, but abortion prior to quickening was not considered a crime until recently.
646 posted on 06/17/2002 3:04:47 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: BMCDA
Yes, but abortion prior to quickening was not considered a crime until recently.

Neither was slavery. Women were chattel. Etc. Etc.

647 posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:25 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: CyberCowboy777
I suppose you're going to tell me next you can't find it.

These days even most creationists acknowledge that microevolution has been upheld by tests in the laboratory (as in studies of cells, plants and fruit flies) and in the field (as in Grant's studies of evolving beak shapes among Galápagos finches). Natural selection and other mechanisms--such as chromosomal changes, symbiosis and hybridization--can drive profound changes in populations over time.

The historical nature of macroevolutionary study involves inference from fossils and DNA rather than direct observation. Yet in the historical sciences (which include astronomy, geology and archaeology, as well as evolutionary biology), hypotheses can still be tested by checking whether they accord with physical evidence and whether they lead to verifiable predictions about future discoveries. For instance, evolution implies that between the earliest-known ancestors of humans (roughly five million years old) and the appearance of anatomically modern humans (about 100,000 years ago), one should find a succession of hominid creatures with features progressively less apelike and more modern, which is indeed what the fossil record shows. [Note too that many of these links were missing in, say, Darwin's day but turned up after people started searching in the right places. -- VR] But one should not--and does not--find modern human fossils embedded in strata from the Jurassic period (65 million years ago). Evolutionary biology routinely makes predictions far more refined and precise than this, and researchers test them constantly. [ . . . And the many potential falsifications of evolution remain purely potential. -- VR]


648 posted on 06/17/2002 3:14:24 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
Neither was slavery. Women were chattel. Etc. Etc.

Exactly. So it seems we have discovered the true Judeo-Christian values only some hundred to two hundred years ago ;->

649 posted on 06/17/2002 3:15:04 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: yendu bwam
Private property rights are rooted in the commandment that forbids us to covet another's property, and so forth.

Is there any known law that forbids coveting? I really doubt it (theft yes but not coveting).
I think in our western societies we may covet as much as we want.

650 posted on 06/17/2002 3:17:59 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: marcleblanc
I've seen many go over cliffs for not following Christian principles.

Do you have any pictures??!!

Well, Mr. leblanc, just look in your newspaper, or watch the news. All the murderers, adulterers who ruined their families, the thiefs, the child molesters, the absentee fathers, and so forth, are those who are going over cliffs by not following Christian principles. There are plenty of pictures available if you really want to see them.

651 posted on 06/17/2002 3:22:42 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: VadeRetro
I was not aware that anyone was still using the old Horse/Zebra line to debate in earnest. Go HERE to learn more about that "mistake".
652 posted on 06/17/2002 3:23:02 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: Poohbah;yendu bwam
Sorry for jumping into this…

Detailed here…

653 posted on 06/17/2002 3:24:19 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: BMCDA
Is there any known law that forbids coveting? I really doubt it (theft yes but not coveting). I think in our western societies we may covet as much as we want.

Yes, yes, yes. You can covet as much as you want. But the point is that support for laws supporting legally enforceable property rights grew out of general agreement that that commandment was a good idea. The law can't change peoples' thought. It can only get them to act in a way that presupposes that following that commandment is a good idea.

655 posted on 06/17/2002 3:26:54 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: marcleblanc
Yep, you know how the Islamics call them : infidels

Relevance?

656 posted on 06/17/2002 3:27:47 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: BMCDA
Yes, but abortion prior to quickening was not considered a crime until recently.

What is quickening?

657 posted on 06/17/2002 3:29:16 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Poohbah
I am not a literalist. Never said I was. Not sure why you think I am!!!
659 posted on 06/17/2002 3:31:01 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: BMCDA
So it seems we have discovered the true Judeo-Christian values only some hundred to two hundred years ago ;->

Yeah, as God's "chosen ones" have been described, we are a stiff-necked people.

660 posted on 06/17/2002 3:31:32 PM PDT by AndrewC
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