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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]
Scientific American ^ | 17 June 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Virginia-American
Macroevolution has not been proven nor does it meet the Scientific Method.

Microevolution does not lead beyond the confines of the species, and the typical products of microevolution, the geographic races, are not incipient species. There is no such category as incipient species. Richard B. Goldschmidt

Micro and/or breeds within a family species. Such as with a German Shepard and a Poodle, both are dogs and will not evolve into eagles.

641 posted on 06/17/2002 3:00:50 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: That Subliminal Kid
thankfully what humans can imagine is not a limitation on what can be.

Absolutely.

642 posted on 06/17/2002 3:01:43 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JediGirl
It always amazes how popular Pascal's Wager still is and that people don't realize that it's a false dichotomy.
Heck, usconservative (in post #551) repeats it even twice. D'oh!
643 posted on 06/17/2002 3:01:49 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: CyberCowboy777
Microevolution does not lead beyond the confines of the species, and the typical products of microevolution, the geographic races, are not incipient species. There is no such category as incipient species. Richard B. Goldschmidt

The argument to which you are responding rebutted this point. Goldschmidt (of the famous "Hopeful Monster" theory) has been out of date for 60 years.

644 posted on 06/17/2002 3:03:17 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro; Cyber Cowboy777
The argument to which you are responding rebutted this point.

More importantly, the main article (not "argument") dealt with the macro- / micro- dodge.

645 posted on 06/17/2002 3:04:40 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: yendu bwam
Yes, but abortion prior to quickening was not considered a crime until recently.
646 posted on 06/17/2002 3:04:47 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: BMCDA
Yes, but abortion prior to quickening was not considered a crime until recently.

Neither was slavery. Women were chattel. Etc. Etc.

647 posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:25 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: CyberCowboy777
I suppose you're going to tell me next you can't find it.

These days even most creationists acknowledge that microevolution has been upheld by tests in the laboratory (as in studies of cells, plants and fruit flies) and in the field (as in Grant's studies of evolving beak shapes among Galápagos finches). Natural selection and other mechanisms--such as chromosomal changes, symbiosis and hybridization--can drive profound changes in populations over time.

The historical nature of macroevolutionary study involves inference from fossils and DNA rather than direct observation. Yet in the historical sciences (which include astronomy, geology and archaeology, as well as evolutionary biology), hypotheses can still be tested by checking whether they accord with physical evidence and whether they lead to verifiable predictions about future discoveries. For instance, evolution implies that between the earliest-known ancestors of humans (roughly five million years old) and the appearance of anatomically modern humans (about 100,000 years ago), one should find a succession of hominid creatures with features progressively less apelike and more modern, which is indeed what the fossil record shows. [Note too that many of these links were missing in, say, Darwin's day but turned up after people started searching in the right places. -- VR] But one should not--and does not--find modern human fossils embedded in strata from the Jurassic period (65 million years ago). Evolutionary biology routinely makes predictions far more refined and precise than this, and researchers test them constantly. [ . . . And the many potential falsifications of evolution remain purely potential. -- VR]


648 posted on 06/17/2002 3:14:24 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
Neither was slavery. Women were chattel. Etc. Etc.

Exactly. So it seems we have discovered the true Judeo-Christian values only some hundred to two hundred years ago ;->

649 posted on 06/17/2002 3:15:04 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: yendu bwam
Private property rights are rooted in the commandment that forbids us to covet another's property, and so forth.

Is there any known law that forbids coveting? I really doubt it (theft yes but not coveting).
I think in our western societies we may covet as much as we want.

650 posted on 06/17/2002 3:17:59 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: marcleblanc
I've seen many go over cliffs for not following Christian principles.

Do you have any pictures??!!

Well, Mr. leblanc, just look in your newspaper, or watch the news. All the murderers, adulterers who ruined their families, the thiefs, the child molesters, the absentee fathers, and so forth, are those who are going over cliffs by not following Christian principles. There are plenty of pictures available if you really want to see them.

651 posted on 06/17/2002 3:22:42 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: VadeRetro
I was not aware that anyone was still using the old Horse/Zebra line to debate in earnest. Go HERE to learn more about that "mistake".
652 posted on 06/17/2002 3:23:02 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: Poohbah;yendu bwam
Sorry for jumping into this…

Detailed here…

653 posted on 06/17/2002 3:24:19 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: BMCDA
Is there any known law that forbids coveting? I really doubt it (theft yes but not coveting). I think in our western societies we may covet as much as we want.

Yes, yes, yes. You can covet as much as you want. But the point is that support for laws supporting legally enforceable property rights grew out of general agreement that that commandment was a good idea. The law can't change peoples' thought. It can only get them to act in a way that presupposes that following that commandment is a good idea.

655 posted on 06/17/2002 3:26:54 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: marcleblanc
Yep, you know how the Islamics call them : infidels

Relevance?

656 posted on 06/17/2002 3:27:47 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: BMCDA
Yes, but abortion prior to quickening was not considered a crime until recently.

What is quickening?

657 posted on 06/17/2002 3:29:16 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Poohbah
I am not a literalist. Never said I was. Not sure why you think I am!!!
659 posted on 06/17/2002 3:31:01 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: BMCDA
So it seems we have discovered the true Judeo-Christian values only some hundred to two hundred years ago ;->

Yeah, as God's "chosen ones" have been described, we are a stiff-necked people.

660 posted on 06/17/2002 3:31:32 PM PDT by AndrewC
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