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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]
Scientific American ^ | 17 June 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up

When Charles Darwin introduced the theory of evolution through natural selection 143 years ago, the scientists of the day argued over it fiercely, but the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt. Today that battle has been won everywhere--except in the public imagination.

Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy. They lobby for creationist ideas such as "intelligent design" to be taught as alternatives to evolution in science classrooms. As this article goes to press, the Ohio Board of Education is debating whether to mandate such a change. Some antievolutionists, such as Philip E. Johnson, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley and author of Darwin on Trial, admit that they intend for intelligent-design theory to serve as a "wedge" for reopening science classrooms to discussions of God.

Besieged teachers and others may increasingly find themselves on the spot to defend evolution and refute creationism. The arguments that creationists use are typically specious and based on misunderstandings of (or outright lies about) evolution, but the number and diversity of the objections can put even well-informed people at a disadvantage.

To help with answering them, the following list rebuts some of the most common "scientific" arguments raised against evolution. It also directs readers to further sources for information and explains why creation science has no place in the classroom.

1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

2. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

3. Evolution is unscientific, because it is not testable or falsifiable. It makes claims about events that were not observed and can never be re-created. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

4. Increasingly, scientists doubt the truth of evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

5. The disagreements among even evolutionary biologists show how little solid science supports evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

7. Evolution cannot explain how life first appeared on earth. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

8. Mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

9. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that systems must become more disordered over time. Living cells therefore could not have evolved from inanimate chemicals, and multicellular life could not have evolved from protozoa. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

10. Mutations are essential to evolution theory, but mutations can only eliminate traits. They cannot produce new features. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

11. Natural selection might explain microevolution, but it cannot explain the origin of new species and higher orders of life. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

12. Nobody has ever seen a new species evolve. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

13. Evolutionists cannot point to any transitional fossils--creatures that are half reptile and half bird, for instance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

14. Living things have fantastically intricate features--at the anatomical, cellular and molecular levels--that could not function if they were any less complex or sophisticated. The only prudent conclusion is that they are the products of intelligent design, not evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

15. Recent discoveries prove that even at the microscopic level, life has a quality of complexity that could not have come about through evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

CONCLUSION
"Creation science" is a contradiction in terms. A central tenet of modern science is methodological naturalism--it seeks to explain the universe purely in terms of observed or testable natural mechanisms. Thus, physics describes the atomic nucleus with specific concepts governing matter and energy, and it tests those descriptions experimentally. Physicists introduce new particles, such as quarks, to flesh out their theories only when data show that the previous descriptions cannot adequately explain observed phenomena. The new particles do not have arbitrary properties, moreover--their definitions are tightly constrained, because the new particles must fit within the existing framework of physics.

In contrast, intelligent-design theorists invoke shadowy entities that conveniently have whatever unconstrained abilities are needed to solve the mystery at hand. Rather than expanding scientific inquiry, such answers shut it down. (How does one disprove the existence of omnipotent intelligences?)

Intelligent design offers few answers. For instance, when and how did a designing intelligence intervene in life's history? By creating the first DNA? The first cell? The first human? Was every species designed, or just a few early ones? Proponents of intelligent-design theory frequently decline to be pinned down on these points. They do not even make real attempts to reconcile their disparate ideas about intelligent design. Instead they pursue argument by exclusion--that is, they belittle evolutionary explanations as far-fetched or incomplete and then imply that only design-based alternatives remain.

Logically, this is misleading: even if one naturalistic explanation is flawed, it does not mean that all are. Moreover, it does not make one intelligent-design theory more reasonable than another. Listeners are essentially left to fill in the blanks for themselves, and some will undoubtedly do so by substituting their religious beliefs for scientific ideas.

Time and again, science has shown that methodological naturalism can push back ignorance, finding increasingly detailed and informative answers to mysteries that once seemed impenetrable: the nature of light, the causes of disease, how the brain works. Evolution is doing the same with the riddle of how the living world took shape. Creationism, by any name, adds nothing of intellectual value to the effort.

The Author(s):

John Rennie is editor in chief of Scientific American.


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To: jlogajan
My point? By your logic, it seems that you would choose survival if it meant you had to eat your own kids. I am sure you would have been one of Stalin's useful idiots if it meant your continued exsistence. The fact is that some humans are capable of recognizing a higher law than that which dictates physical compulsion to preserve ones self. The real truth is something has either been done to you or you have done to yourself, that prevents you from realizing your spiritual self. Unfortunately, people as hardened as you usually never transcend physical exsistence and are reduced to a state no much better than the animals. Why don't you do yourself a favor and find out what it is that prevents you from aquiring faith and feeling The Spirit of GOD. No doubt you have been hurt on some fundamental level that prevents you from feeling. All it would take is a desire to believe, humility, and prayer for you to find an answer. Experiment upon the word of God. Do the things He has suggested to aquire knowledge of his exsistence and you will have your answer. I am at a level where I have faith in God, I know many people who KNOW God exsists more than in physical evidence could have helped them. Belief that God does not exsist requires the same, although opposing, faith that God does exsist. Since you seem to be so capable of faith in His non-exsistence, perhaps you could allow yourself at least a desire to know if he does exsist. Not even a scientist proves or disproves something without at least a desire to do so.
241 posted on 06/17/2002 8:59:59 AM PDT by mconder
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To: ksen
So then by definition 'modern science' excludes even the possibility of God having a hand in our origins.

Not at all. Science just doesn't deal with things like "spirit" and things outside of nature (the super-natural) because they can't be observed, measured, or tested. Science deals only with those things with which it's methods are capable of dealing. The spirit world isn't accessable to the techniques of science.

242 posted on 06/17/2002 9:00:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: rdb3
But anyway, these threads are not news to anyone. On top of that, these threads aren't going to change anyone's mind. An atheist at the beginning of one of these threads is still an atheist at the end of the thread. Same goes for creationists.

Correction. I started off as a Creationist. Then I saw the light (or I 'strayed away from the light' as some might say, lol)

243 posted on 06/17/2002 9:03:21 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: glory
He would certainly not grant access to the arrogant in reason types if they remained unrepentant. So, you go ahead and stick by your principles and see where they get you.

That's how I strive to live my life. Let posterity say that about me, if it says nothing else.

It's a trite saying, but as has been said before, you are the one with everything to loose, not those of faith. We will just rot in the ground with no comprehension if we are wrong.

Pascal's Wager? Please.

[Scientists] are generally some of the most arrogant human beings on the face of the earth

That's a fair cop. To conduct scientific research is to say, "not only is the universe understandable, but I myself can understand it, even to its very core. And further: I can unlock secrets that were impregnable to the long line of breathtaking geniuses who came before me." It is supreme arrogance, indeed. But where would humanity be without it?

244 posted on 06/17/2002 9:03:47 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: JediGirl
Have you put together any sensible thinking other than the same old hate riddled posts against religion? Is Lucas your god?
245 posted on 06/17/2002 9:05:27 AM PDT by smith288
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To: Physicist
Short answer: picking fleas off of each other while eating berries and tubers, and dwelling in caves.
246 posted on 06/17/2002 9:05:51 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Ferndina
Have you ever thought about the wonderful capabilities in your body, how your eyes work, how your lungs work, your brain, and all the other amazing functions of our body and other living creatures, I cannot believe that a single celled anema was the start of this process. Have a good day.

Personal incredulity doesn't justify ignorance. Well, ignorance is so rampant and such incredulity is the source in many cases--perhaps it does.

247 posted on 06/17/2002 9:07:39 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: AndrewC
Science is wrong forever, by definition.

So then, trying to get ID classified as science would mean that ID is wrong ... ?

248 posted on 06/17/2002 9:08:47 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: smith288
Have you put together any sensible thinking other than the same old hate riddled posts against religion? Is Lucas your god?

Hate riddled posts against religion? I don't hate religion. It serves its purposes. It gets slightly annoying when I can't hear over the din that is religious fanatics yelling "MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD", but you know how it is, I'm sure. I am a fan of StarWars, but no, Lucas is not my god. Thanks for your interest.

249 posted on 06/17/2002 9:09:41 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: jlogajan
smith288:
please show me where God tells me to murder homosexuals

jlogajan:
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Last time I checked, Leviticus was a book of laws directed to the Israelites, not to smith288.

Even so, your tacit assumption is that there should be some moral approbation over capital punishment for homosexual crimes. Why? What basis does atheistic materialism provide for a moral condemnation of capital punishment, or for that matter, anything else? How could Evolution, which produces all things, possibly produce anything worthy of moral condemnation? And if some society wants to have capital punishment for homosexual crimes, on what basis do you object?

Cordially,

250 posted on 06/17/2002 9:09:55 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: jlogajan
What kind of monster would send someone to eternal fire for any reason, let alone for using their brain.

God doesn't "send" anyone anywhere they haven't already chosen to go.

You have strange gods.

You have a strange notion of the Christian God.

251 posted on 06/17/2002 9:11:50 AM PDT by ksen
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To: That Subliminal Kid
LOL, that is the truth. I wonder where his little teenage sidekick is? They usually follow each other from one Christian bashing thread to another.
252 posted on 06/17/2002 9:12:10 AM PDT by glory
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To: AmericaUnited; KentuckyWoman
"...the idiot who wrote this..."

I agree with your sentiments - wholeheartedly!! !!

That writer should leave his/her head to Science, upon death.
They've been searching, for years, for a perfect vacuum !! !!

253 posted on 06/17/2002 9:12:19 AM PDT by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: All
My wife and I are expecting our first child. How anyone can look at a pregnant mother-to-be, witness the miracle of life happening right before their very eyes, and think the whole process is just a big coincidence is beyond me. Evolutionists make me sick.
254 posted on 06/17/2002 9:12:24 AM PDT by disgustedvet
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To: That Subliminal Kid
What he's given us has some substance. What have you contributed other than an uninformed opinion and a bit of name calling?
255 posted on 06/17/2002 9:12:43 AM PDT by Junior
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To: Gumlegs
That would work, syllogistically speaking.

P1: Science is wrong.
P2: ID is science.
C1: Therefore, ID is wrong.

Hmmmm....

256 posted on 06/17/2002 9:13:57 AM PDT by general_re
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To: JediGirl;That Subliminal Kid
Oh, never mind, the sidekick has arrived...YAWN
257 posted on 06/17/2002 9:17:15 AM PDT by glory
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To: JediGirl
Was this a result from reading a thread, or, did it happen outside of the Internet?
258 posted on 06/17/2002 9:17:40 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: disgustedvet
How anyone can look at a pregnant mother-to-be, witness the miracle of life happening right before their very eyes, and think the whole process is just a big coincidence is beyond me.

Argument from personal incredulity. Argument from wishful thinking. Argument from the consequences. Appeal to emotion. Strawman.

Do you have anything to offer that isn't personal conjecture or a logical fallacy?
259 posted on 06/17/2002 9:19:18 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: rdb3
Combination of the two.
260 posted on 06/17/2002 9:19:31 AM PDT by JediGirl
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