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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]
Scientific American ^ | 17 June 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up

When Charles Darwin introduced the theory of evolution through natural selection 143 years ago, the scientists of the day argued over it fiercely, but the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt. Today that battle has been won everywhere--except in the public imagination.

Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy. They lobby for creationist ideas such as "intelligent design" to be taught as alternatives to evolution in science classrooms. As this article goes to press, the Ohio Board of Education is debating whether to mandate such a change. Some antievolutionists, such as Philip E. Johnson, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley and author of Darwin on Trial, admit that they intend for intelligent-design theory to serve as a "wedge" for reopening science classrooms to discussions of God.

Besieged teachers and others may increasingly find themselves on the spot to defend evolution and refute creationism. The arguments that creationists use are typically specious and based on misunderstandings of (or outright lies about) evolution, but the number and diversity of the objections can put even well-informed people at a disadvantage.

To help with answering them, the following list rebuts some of the most common "scientific" arguments raised against evolution. It also directs readers to further sources for information and explains why creation science has no place in the classroom.

1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

2. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

3. Evolution is unscientific, because it is not testable or falsifiable. It makes claims about events that were not observed and can never be re-created. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

4. Increasingly, scientists doubt the truth of evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

5. The disagreements among even evolutionary biologists show how little solid science supports evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

7. Evolution cannot explain how life first appeared on earth. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

8. Mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

9. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that systems must become more disordered over time. Living cells therefore could not have evolved from inanimate chemicals, and multicellular life could not have evolved from protozoa. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

10. Mutations are essential to evolution theory, but mutations can only eliminate traits. They cannot produce new features. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

11. Natural selection might explain microevolution, but it cannot explain the origin of new species and higher orders of life. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

12. Nobody has ever seen a new species evolve. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

13. Evolutionists cannot point to any transitional fossils--creatures that are half reptile and half bird, for instance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

14. Living things have fantastically intricate features--at the anatomical, cellular and molecular levels--that could not function if they were any less complex or sophisticated. The only prudent conclusion is that they are the products of intelligent design, not evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

15. Recent discoveries prove that even at the microscopic level, life has a quality of complexity that could not have come about through evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

CONCLUSION
"Creation science" is a contradiction in terms. A central tenet of modern science is methodological naturalism--it seeks to explain the universe purely in terms of observed or testable natural mechanisms. Thus, physics describes the atomic nucleus with specific concepts governing matter and energy, and it tests those descriptions experimentally. Physicists introduce new particles, such as quarks, to flesh out their theories only when data show that the previous descriptions cannot adequately explain observed phenomena. The new particles do not have arbitrary properties, moreover--their definitions are tightly constrained, because the new particles must fit within the existing framework of physics.

In contrast, intelligent-design theorists invoke shadowy entities that conveniently have whatever unconstrained abilities are needed to solve the mystery at hand. Rather than expanding scientific inquiry, such answers shut it down. (How does one disprove the existence of omnipotent intelligences?)

Intelligent design offers few answers. For instance, when and how did a designing intelligence intervene in life's history? By creating the first DNA? The first cell? The first human? Was every species designed, or just a few early ones? Proponents of intelligent-design theory frequently decline to be pinned down on these points. They do not even make real attempts to reconcile their disparate ideas about intelligent design. Instead they pursue argument by exclusion--that is, they belittle evolutionary explanations as far-fetched or incomplete and then imply that only design-based alternatives remain.

Logically, this is misleading: even if one naturalistic explanation is flawed, it does not mean that all are. Moreover, it does not make one intelligent-design theory more reasonable than another. Listeners are essentially left to fill in the blanks for themselves, and some will undoubtedly do so by substituting their religious beliefs for scientific ideas.

Time and again, science has shown that methodological naturalism can push back ignorance, finding increasingly detailed and informative answers to mysteries that once seemed impenetrable: the nature of light, the causes of disease, how the brain works. Evolution is doing the same with the riddle of how the living world took shape. Creationism, by any name, adds nothing of intellectual value to the effort.

The Author(s):

John Rennie is editor in chief of Scientific American.


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To: medved
political means to enforce the teaching of its own versions of such doctrines in public schools

Actually, you've verbalized one of the more offensive things about the anti-evolution crowd: they have been unable to convince normal scientists that there's something horribly, fundamentally wrong with natural selection and muatation theory, so they're reduced to convincing educrats and lawyer/politicians on school boards.

I don't really see much difference between the ID/creationists and the Afrocentrists who insist that theories (eg all Greek wisdom was really African) which no serious scholar considers true, be taught in schools.

1,881 posted on 06/26/2002 10:16:47 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
The main difference is that they are both Post-Modern-Deconstructionists. Wait, that's the answer to a riddle. Oh, well.
1,882 posted on 06/26/2002 10:36:34 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Virginia-American
The American people are within their rights to tell scientists that they're not going to promulgate an atheistic ideological doctrine in the name of science in public schools at public expense. If scientists are too thick to see the light on this one, then letting them feel the heat is perfectly legitimate.
1,883 posted on 06/26/2002 11:00:58 AM PDT by medved
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To: gore3000
just about all the scientific breakthrougs were made by what we would call amateurs,

Gore you better call the Nobel Prize committee now without further delay. I think you are on to something here. Development is a very complex phenomena, it just HAD to be designed. Funny how no one realized this before. It looks so obvious in retrospect. I think you just made a breakthrough. Hurry and tell everyone in the scientific establishment. Your name may find a place next to the all time greats in the annals of science. I suddenly feel unworthy to be in your presence.

I think I may have made a breakthough last winter. I noticed that snowflakes have a very complex structure. In fact no two are alike. I therefore postulte they were designed as well. I shall also contact the committee. Could we possibly have TWO Nobel winners on this board?

1,884 posted on 06/26/2002 11:34:16 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: AndrewC
Mutations are repaired.

Occasionally, some mutations slip through the cracks. No repair mechanism is perfect. This is a fact.

1,885 posted on 06/26/2002 11:41:47 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: medved
The American people are within their rights to tell scientists that they're not going to promulgate an atheistic ideological doctrine in the name of science in public schools at public expense. If scientists are too thick to see the light on this one, then letting them feel the heat is perfectly legitimate.

Such a stance does not make the people right or the scientists' position wrong. Science is not a popularity contest (which is fortunate for you, as just about everyone, scientist and layman alike, thinks your Saturnian theory is looney); it is either right or wrong -- and if it is right it needs to be taught in schools to best prepare students. Evolution has no contenders and is the best theory going to explain the evidence. Yes, it has flaws, but nothing else comes close in the accuracy of its predictive and descriptive abilities. If you have something better, put it up for scrutiny to the scientific community.

1,886 posted on 06/26/2002 11:44:36 AM PDT by Junior
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To: Virginia-American
I don't really see much difference between the ID/creationists and the Afrocentrists who insist that theories (eg all Greek wisdom was really African) which no serious scholar considers true, be taught in schools.

That's good. Very good.

1,887 posted on 06/26/2002 12:22:54 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks, PH
1,888 posted on 06/26/2002 12:38:23 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Junior
Far as I'm concerned, evolution is junk science and an ideological doctrine which I do not want my tax dollars being used to promulgate. Preventing my tax dollars from being used that way is ultimately within the realm of politics and jurisprudence. My own estimation is that there will sooner or later and probably sooner be a second Scopes trial in this country, and all I ask is fifteen minutes in front of the judge and jury when that happens.
1,889 posted on 06/26/2002 12:39:41 PM PDT by medved
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To: medved
Far as I'm concerned, evolution is junk science and an ideological doctrine which I do not want my tax dollars being used to promulgate.

Then you are in the minority; real scientists see nothing wrong with evolution -- but then again they are all in on the conspiracy, aren't they?

1,890 posted on 06/26/2002 12:50:02 PM PDT by Junior
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To: Junior
If this thread gets to 2000 posts, will it be a record?
1,891 posted on 06/26/2002 12:56:43 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Evolutionism reminds me of the of the invasion of the killer bees from mars--africa...brain infection---disease!
1,892 posted on 06/26/2002 12:58:16 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
the of the invasion of the killer bees from mars

I hate it when that happens.

1,893 posted on 06/26/2002 1:02:04 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Junior
Evolutionism reminds of the invasion of the killer bees from mars--africa...brain infection---disease!
1,894 posted on 06/26/2002 1:03:27 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: RightWingNilla
I hate it when that when that happens.

1,895 posted on 06/26/2002 1:05:05 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry
Evolutionism reminds me of the of the invasion of the killer bees from mars--africa...brain infection---disease!
1892 posted on 6/26/02 3:58 PM Eastern by f.Christian
I wonder ... if I did a parody of that about creationism, would I get suspended again? Yeah, probably I would.
1,896 posted on 06/26/2002 1:07:29 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: RightWingNilla
Mars needs women -- bees -- burlap sacks!

[Couldn't resist]

1,897 posted on 06/26/2002 1:14:01 PM PDT by Junior
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To: RightWingNilla
Occasionally, some mutations slip through the cracks. No repair mechanism is perfect. This is a fact.

I don't believe anyone has made that an issue except for the randomness part. If all mutations are repaired there could hardly be any "bad" mutations.

1,898 posted on 06/26/2002 1:19:24 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: f.Christian
Evolution Happens
1,899 posted on 06/26/2002 1:21:56 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla
The big lie...fraud-hoax---

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality...the nature of man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values GROWTH!

Then came the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...Atheist secular materialists through evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations(separation of state/religion)--TRUTH-GOD...made these absolutes relative and calling all the residuals---technology/science === evolution to substantiate/justify their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...anti-God/Truth RELIGION--crusade!

Liberals/Evolution BELIEVE they are the conservatives--guardians too!

Hypnotism--witchcraft ideology--politics--religion--BRAINWASHING--superstition--BIAS---EVOLUTION

ps...evolutionism is the essence of liberalism/socialism!

pSh...thought/science czar!

1,900 posted on 06/26/2002 1:39:27 PM PDT by f.Christian
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