Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
Well Andrew, it seems to me that the creationists are the ones trying to apply the scientific method to support their religious views...and if you want to be taken seriously in the context of a scientific argument, then yes, in fact, this will require you to clearly and unambigously state your interpretation. Otherwise you will convince no one. Then again, maybe this is not your purpose given your statement below....
Finally, I hope that you as a scientist are not asserting that the happenings here are science.
So are you saying no one here takes scientific arguments seriously here on FR? What point are you trying to make here?
Really? That's interesting. It certainly helps the case for gene duplication.An other point is gene duplication. Of course he doesn't deny that gene duplication occurrs ... his concern is that a duplicated gene can mutate in such a way that it produces a protein that is harmful to the organism.
This is really a red herring. Organisms generally die from mutations via loss of function.
Ugh, I'm moving!
Naah, we're still all conservatives here. Big tent. Happy happy comrades-in-arms. "Rebels are we, born to be free, just like the fish in the sea...". Kumbayaaa my Lord, Kumbayaaaaa...
Why would God - who created the cells in the first place - have to limit Himself in such a way?
Why did Ford have to limit themselves by painting all Model T's Black?
"Mysterious are the ways...." As I said, you two have painted yourselves into an unfalsifiable position.
Neither city populations nor company revenues are designed.
They are a consequence of design.
No they're not. They're not designed. Nobody, except in Communist countries, sits down with a plan and marks out how big cities or companies will be.
If you're arguing that the pattern is a side-effect of systems that are designed, then even there I think you're wrong. The pattern may be a side-effect of systems of interconnected parts, yes, but that still begs the question of whether biological systems were designed or not.
Which is exactly why I wrote direct role, as in the typical transcription factor-binding element route.
If I understood Gore3000 correctly, I believe he was extrapolating the data (which has existed for 20 years) demonstrating that some enhancer elements are located intronically. These sequences are very minor in comparison and generally not what is referred to as junk.
I do believe the genome harbors a substantial amount of pseudogenes, relics from our evolutionary history that are of no value now. Studies are emerging in other speices as well are showing that even when the gene function is no longer required the gene remains and is free to mutate and in several cases it is no longer expressed. This is basically what I am referring to as genetic "garbage". Why would a creator/ID force put those sequences there de-novo?
I feel for you. You've tied your religious faith to the belief that the universe behaves in a certain way, and now that you're faced with hard evidence that it does not, all you can do is to lash out at me personally. Or perhaps you're grasping at the straw that I really am on the take, and that by focusing on my motives you can avoid the necessity of swallowing the indigestible facts of the universe. But alas, anyone who knows my history here can tell you that I act on principle, and in any case the facts still remain.
If impugning me further will help you to get through what must be a difficult time, I won't hold it against you.
Now if you have been here there seems to be a rigorous definition of a scientific theory(or what you would consider science). None of the matters accomplished on this forum meet that definition. Therefore I do not conclude that we are doing science on this forum. You, however, in post 1437 make a statement which seems to compel me to come up with an alternative theory because of science.You seemed to strongly disagree with my interpretation of the data. Typically in science when this happens we are required to present an alternative model(s) to fit the data (in a clear and straightfoward manner if you wish to be taken seriously).
That is why I asked you if you thought we were doing science here. Finally, you turn my question into a challenge of scientific arguments. No. My point is again stated, I am under no requirement to come up with an alternative to your interpretation of the data. I still note that you are certain and seemingly do not allow that luxury to others.
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I repeat, they are a consequence of design.
Changing words now to help a dead argument. We are truly witnessing evolution. You must have acquired faith. Solitary statements aren't logical proofs.
You didn't answer the question.
Do you receive monetary benefit by perpetuating the scam?
You'll have to admit, the government provides a lot of funding for evolutionism and other disasters. Many in this land get involved with moral compromise in order to receive the monetary benefits from the government largess.
I am not suggesting you have obtained moneys illegally, though in the evolutionist scheme, that could be considered justifiable.
Then why bother posting to this thread? Are you trying to argue with yourself? I guess we cant argue with you since we don't have a clue what your position is on these matters. I hope you are enjoying your (free?) time Andrew.
Because I do promote some of my views. Its just that I don't allow others to tell me what they are and how to defend them. You seem to have a great blindness to your arrogating approach to discourse. You do have a clue to my view on these matters(or at least you should). I don't think the evidence shows that the human genome is 95% junk. I posted some evidence in post 1400.
You are virtually accusing Physicist of being a con artist. Your conduct is deplorable. Are you of the opinion that there are no con artists among creationists?
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