Now how about letting Israeli's have a measly 15% of the Palestinian Mandate for it's intended purpose as a jewish state?
Arafat is a Palestinian, right? Then I guess Cairo will be the Pali State's capital. That is where Arafat was born. Of Arafat's cabinet, only 1 man was born in Judea or Samaria. All others were born in Egypt (3), Jordan (5), Lebanon (1) or Syria (1).
There is, indeed, NO SUCH THING as "Palestine".
In some modern languages
(Turkish, for example)
the Palestinians actually are called Philistines.
However, the Philistines were not Arabs
and the present day 'Palestinians' are not their descendents.
Su'pose this
Israel disappers - everything - people, buildings, the land is scraped clear
The Palestinian people would still have to BEG for food and support from others. They have no plans to be self-sufficent and even gaining 100% of Israel would not change this.
If their people have no hope it is because of their own leaders lack of vision.
The only area that they where loosely tied to was Syria, where the did a good part of their wandering in. When Great Britian gave up their claims to the land in the middleast and in conjuction with the League of Nations brought about the creation of a number of Arab states i.e Iran, Iraq, Israel etc. These various nomads which had no ties to any particular state had to be given a state also because the newly created states where not going to let them just wander in and out of their's.
So that is the reason for the creation of the state of Jordan. The original size and place of the state of Israel that was laid out and perposed by Britian was to be the same land as the Lord had described in the bible or pretty close to it which , by the way extended a good ways past the jordan river, much lees the so called west bank. The newly created Arab states violently protested the presence of the Jewish state which helped bring about their own creation, inpart because of the british decision to give the Jewish people a homeland. So they did everything they could to squeeze the state out of existence and the Jews recieved less that a third of what they where suppoosed to get with the bulk of going to create the state of Jordan the "first land for peace deal".
When the British refused to take anymore from them they demanded that the Arab states keep their agreement to recognise the state of Israel. The state Israel was voted into existance and within 24hrs, the five Arab states of about a hundred- fifty million people did what they have been doing ever since 1948 and launched an all out attack on the State of Israel's less than three million people. Then the Lord did what He has been doing since then and give the Arabs a bloody nose. The west bank was given that name by Jordan and was taken from them in the 67 war.
Israel was negociating with Egypt and Jordan over the territories they lost to Israel as a result of their attack on Israel. Egypt got the Sinai back and most of their army and tanks that where surrounded in the desert for the agreement to recognise Israel which they had already agreed to in 1948 but never had. Their was also much pleading and pressure by the U.S., for them not to finish off the people who had just tried to destroy them. Sound familar? The west bank was being negociated between Israel and Jordan when some guy named Arafat showed up from a far and convinced Jordan to give up it's claim to the west bank so he could try to eventually lay claim to it for the "people.
The King of Jordan was agreeable to this so he could get Arafat and his followers, whom he had run out of Jordan for trying to take over it by riots and such,out of his hair. This is why the land is still in dispute because Jordan never reached an agreement with Israel and so it is rightfully still Israel's. You never heard of the Palestinians clamoring for a homeland until after the 1967 war when Arafat started to build his own little kingdom.
Why because they already had a home, created just for them, called Jordan, built on land orginally intended for Israel. Sorry for the long post. I don't guess very many will read this anyhow.
1. I'm not sure which (mis)tranlation you are using. There is no reference to a Palestine in the Hebrew Scriptures. Philistin has no relationship to Palestine except by name. The Philistines were a Greek sea-faring people who dissapeared around 800 BCE). I don't know about Christian scriptures. It is possible that some Christian writers towed the Roman line in that empires attempt to de-Judify Judea.
2. If you were informed of the subject matter, you would know that these chants had nothing to do with the Israelis. The marchers today were American Jews, for the most part. Also, the people chanting were a distinct minority. There were also a few lunatics chanting "Peace Now". That doesn't make it Israeli policy.
The chant you hate was used by two groups: Betar/Tagar and the Kahanists. While I sympathise with them, they are a distinct minority.
The fact is that there is an Arab state, the Kingdom of Jordan, composed of 3/4 of the British Mandate of Palestine. Today, the debate is over the creation of a Second PAlestinian-Arab country, to be ethnically cleansed of Jews, and to be located in Judea and Samaria.
PS. I looked at your other posts. You wan to t arm the Terrorists and arrest Sharon. At least you don't pretend to be objective.
The History and Meaning of "Palestine" and "Palestinians" (or Just Plain Getting Screwed?)
History of Israel and Palestine in VERY Easy To Understand Maps
On a more secular level, the bible never mentions the state of Palestine as I recall, and when it was offered in 1948, the Arab Muslims refused it.
So, alas, yes; it does not exist.
I'll not even waste my time repeating why they refused it.
We all know why.
I heard of Palestine Jews!
Who were the 1st Palestine Arabs/Islam?
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Arafat was born in Egypt an is a Saudi.
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I think the Islam religion wants to take over the world and it is important to make people think there is a Palestine and that Judah is wrong. They could careless about the Jews, That is why all Arab nation is sending money to get this accomplished, and using these people there as fodder to get the job done. When the so Called "Palestine lived in their nation they would cut them off after their usefulness was over the old doctors, lawyer, and other learn were disown as citizens, and the property was confiscated and they would soon die.
I also think now it was these snakes Saudi/Islam that have all through history created and spread the lies, of how Jews were money hungry and books like "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion It was the evil Saudi who would cause havoc and than blame it on the Jews? Something to Ponder!
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NOW WHO WOULD GAIN BY THIS BOOK?
COULD THE NATIONS OF ISLAM BY DIVIDE THE JUDEAO/CHRISTIANS AND CONQUOR!
RUSSIAN COURT RULES 'PROTOCOLS' AN ANTI-SEMITIC FORGERY
By Michael A. Hiltzik Los Angeles Times, November 28, 1993
MOSCOW -- In what observers called a historic ruling, a Russian
court has pronounced the infamous "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" an anti-Semitic forgery -- the first such verdict in the land where the fraud originated 90 years ago.
"Up to now every country had disengaged itself from this shameful book, except Russia, where it was concocted," Tancred Golenpolsky, the publisher of the Moscow Jewish newspaper that won the ruling, said Saturday.
The court case arose 10 months ago after Golenpolsky's Jewish Gazette accused the radical nationalist group Pamyat ("Memory") of printing anti-Semitic sentiments. Fostering ethnic conflict is punishable under Russian law.
Pamyat responded with a $19,000 libel suit, saying it has nothing against Arabs, who are also Semitic. In its defense, the Gazette noted that Pamyat's newspaper published extracts from the Protocols. The document, which details purported meetings of Jewish elders at which they plotted to seize control of the whole world, became the focus of the trial.
On Friday, a Moscow district court judge ruled that the document was indeed a forgery. She turned down Pamyat's claim and fined the organization court costs of about $190. The ruling by Judge Lyudmila Belikova was hailed by the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, which provided financial support for Golenpolsky and documentary material to the court.
"The ruling today under Russian law destroys any veneer of respectability that hatemongers around the globe have tried to bestow on this hateful work," said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, the center's associate dean, in a statement.
Pamyat was unrepentant. "They have no decency left to say the Protocols are a fake when the entire history of Russia after 1917 is solid proof that they are genuine," said Dmitri D. Vasiliev, head of the organization, in an interview Saturday.
Referring to the fact that such communist theoreticians and luminaries as Karl Marx and Leon Trotsky were Jewish, he said: "Who made the revolution? Who ruined and sold out the country? Take time and read the Protocols; the answers are there gaping at you from every page."
But Golenpolsky argued that the significance in the ruling lies not in its prospect of eradicating anti-Semitism in Russia. "Anti-Semitism will appear every time prices on potatoes and bread go up," he said in an interview. "What's important is that law and the government will take a stand."
For most of this century, the Protocols has been a key manifesto of anti-Semitism. It was used as a pretext for Eastern European pogroms, was a centerpiece of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and permeated Nazi propaganda. It consistently surfaces across the globe as purported documentation of a Jewish conspiracy.
At the same time it has been consistently condemned by courts around the world. In 1927, an American judge ordered auto magnate Henry Ford to destroy a large printing of the book he had personally financed; as recently as 1991 the South African government banned it as an immoral publication.
Contemporary evidence shows that the Protocols were written by members of Czar Nicholas II's "Okhranka," or secret police, in 1903. Its very birth was particularly unsavory; as much as 60 percent of the document is a bald plagiarism from an anti-Semitic tract published in France around that time.
The Okhranka fashioned the document as the purported agreement of a group of Jewish elders meeting in Switzerland in 1897 to plot Jewish hegemony through the destruction of Christian civilization. It was first published in Russia on the eve, and as the instrument, of the vicious 1903 Odessa pogrom.
Judge Belikova based her ruling in part on testimony by a three-member panel of Russian academic experts who examined the document and its textual and legal history. The experts were agreed to by both sides, although Golenpolsky said his only stipulation was that they not be Jewish.
"My conclusion was that this is prima facie apocryphal and that this is an anti-Semitic document," said one of the experts, Lionel Dadiani of Moscow's Institute of Sociology, who wrote a 67-page opinion for the court.
Pamyat's Vasiliev said Saturday that he intends to bring further cases against the Jewish Gazette.