Posted on 04/26/2002 9:01:52 AM PDT by WhatNot
Many churches focus on the "eucharist," which for them means the bread of the Lord's Supper. Other believer's don't think the concept of the eucharist is Biblical. But the concept of "eucharist" is Biblical. The word "eucharist" comes from the Greek "eu" meaning "good" and "charis" meaning "grace" or "blessing." The eucharist at the Last Supper was not the bread itself, but the blessing Messiah said over the bread. The blessing is one said in Jewish homes to this day: "Baruch Atah Adonai Elohaynu Melech Ha Olam, Ha Motzee Lechem Min Ha Aretz" - "Blessed are You O Lord Our God, King of the Universe, Who brings forth bread from the earth." This is the true eucharist.
The true eucharist is never eaten, it is given. It is a blessing of thanks to God. It's not the bread, it is the blessing over the bread. And this distinction can change your life. Life doesn't consist of the things you have, but the blessings you say over them. You only truly have what you bless and give thanks for. Give the blessing of thanks over your, bread - your parents, your family, your friends, your situation - over everything, good and bad. And your life itself will be truly blessed, for such is the true eucharist.
Luke 22:14-20
TODAY'S MISSION
Prepare a private communion service today, with you and Messiah. Lift up to Him those things that need to receive His blessing - your loved ones, your job, your ministry.
What a joke. Luther in his sinful pride left the Church. Catholics, via the Counter reformation, cleaned up the Church.
By the way, please prove Sola Scriptura from scripture for us.
Then tell us why your interpretation of John 6 is superior to that of the early Christians, whose interpretation I posted above (but you dismiss as spam to your eternal shame.)
No there are all kinds of "catholics" now you like to pretend you are all of one mind...ohhh no......not so..If the RC church split along concensus..you would have 100s of churches..If they all knew the co reedemer stuff trust me many many would be gone..some stuff is best left locked behind the Vatican doors
You may not want to talk about Luther ..but you know I am right..the corruption in the church is what made him speak out.He saved the Catholic Church! Do you have a Luther now??
I entreat you, a "former" Catholic, to read those articles I posted and study the material on that website. There is plenty of scripture there for you.
Wonder if he would have refused to eat the passover lamb too, and refused to put the blood on the lintels, because it was disgusting.
He would have been taken by the angel then too.
When the Jews slaughtered the passover sacrifice, they ate it. If they had refused, they would have died in their refusal.
1 Cor 11: 23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
And you are the official score keeper?
That's an out and out lie.
I am born again and have not left the Church.
Think up another one.
Jesus intended for everyone to understand, but He knew that everyone would not understand because He is God and knows all.
To suggest that he was speaking with a hidden meaning that only a "few" would understand ON PURPOSE is ridiculous: the whole purpose of the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was to SAVE MANKIND. God wants EVERYONE in Heaven with Him; He knows not everyone will go to Heaven because of sin without repentance; but EVERYONE has the HOPE of salvation -- Jesus Christ died for our sins and our salvation so that we might go to Heaven. If we reject Him we reject God; in that rejection we reject the gift of salvation, the gift God freely offered TO ALL.
God bless.
I'll grant you that, in large part. Though it's true that in observing -- if not always taking part in -- the bickering over the years, I too have reached certain understandings (and reaped the richness thereof) I'd not have had otherwise.
It's funny you bring up Time. I think a poor understanding of physics (or a "Newtonian" grasp, anyway) is in large part responsible for the errors inherent in the whole Elect/Reprobate scheme that negates free will and casts the pall of inexorable pagan fate over certain sects of Christianity.
Anyway, MHG, it's when I'm confronted with what seems a truly lost soul -- the clear and present evidence of actual revulsion in response to Christ's act of redemption, for example -- that I can't always help but weigh in.
As a rule, though, you'll probably find me ready to shake the dust from my sandals sooner than I ought.
Sleep well.
Don't you change the subject.
Until you publicly acknowledge the_doc's grievous actions, and your own grievous fault for defending them, I can no longer engage you in debate as a fellow Christian.
Those who fall for the_doc's BS are spiritually blind.
Those who defend the_doc's words are spiritually dead.
Until you wake from this spiritual death, and your eyes are opened, you are to be prayed for earnestly, but I will debate you no longer.
Your questions have been answered, fully and repeatedly, on this forum many times. If you still refuse the Truth, there's nothing more I can say to help you.
If the RC church split along concensus..you would have 100s of churches..You see though, this is why God established His Church on earth as the authority. He knows that individuals, if they have no authority to guide them, will split into thousands of little factions. Yet we know He desired that we be one. So what did He do to make that so? He left an authority.
Now, you can claim the Bible is your authority, and every serious Christian agrees it is part of the authority. The problem with that position, though, is that the Bible has not stopped its adherents from splitting. Genuine Christians, truly seeking the Lord, do not all agree on what the Scriptures mean. If people who truly seek God cannot all agree on Him by use of the Scripture it is clearly an incomplete authority. Even Scripture admits of tradition outside its four corners.
What is needed is a living authority to address issues that come up. God could, of course, have addressed all of them up front. However,
25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.Imagine how many books it would take to deal with every heresy to the end of time, every error, every mistake.
Even at that, had He meant to address everything in the Bible, some would still have refused and held that their interpretation of His words, no matter how clear the words were, was the better interpretation. Witness those who try to justify homosexuality and fornication on the Bible. How clear does it have to be?
If He truly wished us to be one it is clear that we needed a living authority to guide us. We have one, the Apostles and the Magisterium, living from generation to generation by the work of the Holy Spirit. It addresses all these things, and is consistent with the Bible itself.
There are thousands of Protestants with thousands of unique theologies. Likewise, there are thousands of Catholics with their unique theologies. The Bible alone clearly does not prevent that. So either Christ didn’t really mean it, or He wasn’t willing to do anything to make it happen, or in fact He did do something. He established His Church, and the Papacy, to guide us. Catholics may dissent all over the place, but at the end of the day it is clear what the Church teaches, what the truth is, and all Catholics are one under that banner.
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