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Don't try to change the topic Brian the Catholic church was very corrupt..you could go to your priest and pay some money to assure you would not go to hell if you died in your mistress's bed...you could buy your lying uncle out of purgetory..all this lined the pockets of the clergy and did nothing to stop the judgment of God...Luther forced the church to clean up its act and you know that

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

You have yet to apologize for defending the indefensible. You rationalized the_doc's sinful behavior, and thus are guilty of the same sin. You are defending the words of a man whose behavior falls squarely into borderline personality disorder, and is abusive and antithetical to Christian decency.

Don't you change the subject.

Until you publicly acknowledge the_doc's grievous actions, and your own grievous fault for defending them, I can no longer engage you in debate as a fellow Christian.

Those who fall for the_doc's BS are spiritually blind.

Those who defend the_doc's words are spiritually dead.

Until you wake from this spiritual death, and your eyes are opened, you are to be prayed for earnestly, but I will debate you no longer.

Your questions have been answered, fully and repeatedly, on this forum many times. If you still refuse the Truth, there's nothing more I can say to help you.