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To: oremus
There are only 2 kinds of Roman Catholics: those who know their faith and practice it (small number), and those who do not and/or rebel in one way or another. As for Luther - no comment. I know all about him and he's not worth talking about.

No there are all kinds of "catholics" now you like to pretend you are all of one mind...ohhh no......not so..If the RC church split along concensus..you would have 100s of churches..If they all knew the co reedemer stuff trust me many many would be gone..some stuff is best left locked behind the Vatican doors

You may not want to talk about Luther ..but you know I am right..the corruption in the church is what made him speak out.He saved the Catholic Church! Do you have a Luther now??

382 posted on 04/30/2002 9:17:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I'm sorry but you are not correct. And I see where you get your misinformation from just by the things you say. Study the links I gave you.
386 posted on 04/30/2002 9:20:22 PM PDT by oremus
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To: RnMomof7
If the RC church split along concensus..you would have 100s of churches..
You see though, this is why God established His Church on earth as the authority. He knows that individuals, if they have no authority to guide them, will split into thousands of little factions. Yet we know He desired that we be one. So what did He do to make that so? He left an authority.

Now, you can claim the Bible is your authority, and every serious Christian agrees it is part of the authority. The problem with that position, though, is that the Bible has not stopped its adherents from splitting. Genuine Christians, truly seeking the Lord, do not all agree on what the Scriptures mean. If people who truly seek God cannot all agree on Him by use of the Scripture it is clearly an incomplete authority. Even Scripture admits of tradition outside its four corners.

What is needed is a living authority to address issues that come up. God could, of course, have addressed all of them up front. However,

25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
Imagine how many books it would take to deal with every heresy to the end of time, every error, every mistake.

Even at that, had He meant to address everything in the Bible, some would still have refused and held that their interpretation of His words, no matter how clear the words were, was the better interpretation. Witness those who try to justify homosexuality and fornication on the Bible. How clear does it have to be?

If He truly wished us to be one it is clear that we needed a living authority to guide us. We have one, the Apostles and the Magisterium, living from generation to generation by the work of the Holy Spirit. It addresses all these things, and is consistent with the Bible itself.

There are thousands of Protestants with thousands of unique theologies. Likewise, there are thousands of Catholics with their unique theologies. The Bible alone clearly does not prevent that. So either Christ didn’t really mean it, or He wasn’t willing to do anything to make it happen, or in fact He did do something. He established His Church, and the Papacy, to guide us. Catholics may dissent all over the place, but at the end of the day it is clear what the Church teaches, what the truth is, and all Catholics are one under that banner.

Dominus Vobiscum

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400 posted on 04/30/2002 9:31:46 PM PDT by patent
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