The True Eucharist

Sapphires | Jonathan Cahn

[WhatNot]

Many churches focus on the "eucharist," which for them means the bread of the Lord's Supper. Other believer's don't think the concept of the eucharist is Biblical. But the concept of "eucharist" is Biblical. The word "eucharist" comes from the Greek "eu" meaning "good" and "charis" meaning "grace" or "blessing." The eucharist at the Last Supper was not the bread itself, but the blessing Messiah said over the bread. The blessing is one said in Jewish homes to this day: "Baruch Atah Adonai Elohaynu Melech Ha Olam, Ha Motzee Lechem Min Ha Aretz" - "Blessed are You O Lord Our God, King of the Universe, Who brings forth bread from the earth." This is the true eucharist.

The true eucharist is never eaten, it is given. It is a blessing of thanks to God. It's not the bread, it is the blessing over the bread. And this distinction can change your life. Life doesn't consist of the things you have, but the blessings you say over them. You only truly have what you bless and give thanks for. Give the blessing of thanks over your, bread - your parents, your family, your friends, your situation - over everything, good and bad. And your life itself will be truly blessed, for such is the true eucharist.

Luke 22:14-20

TODAY'S MISSION

Prepare a private communion service today, with you and Messiah. Lift up to Him those things that need to receive His blessing - your loved ones, your job, your ministry.

[oremus]

I think 1 Tim 2:5 is very clear about there are NO other mediator's, besides Jesus, between God and man. Mary has no say or no role according to the passage. Revised quote.

[history_matters]

I think 1 Tim 2:5 is very clear about there are NO other mediator's, besides Jesus, between God and man. Mary has no say or no role according to the passage. Anything else is adding to the Scriptures.

The passage you cite speaks specifically with regard to Jesus Christ the Righteous, Our Lord and Our God. You are incorrect in stating that the passage you note shows that "Mary has no say or no role according to the passage." The passage simply does not address Our Lady Mary as it is a passage dealing with her Son's beautiful relationship between God and man. Of course his relationship with man is because he came to us through His Mother Mary which is clearly demonstrated in the first chapter of the Holy Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ according to St. Luke.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I already asked him. He said I do not have his permission to share his FReepmail. Typical OP coward.

For the record, the_doc is not an Orthodox Presbyterian, he is a Reformed Baptist (gosh, this is *quite* well known).

I don't object to your affiliating "doc" with the OP church (gosh, I'd be perfectly happy if he *was* orthodox presbyterian), except for three minor reservations:

1.) It is not factual. I.E., it ain't a true statement, it is a lie.
2.) You dare to call OP's cowards... a hilariously vicious charge, given the Orthodox Presbyterian Church's incredibly disproportionate contribution to the Operation Rescue movement, and our steadfast application of Church Discipline in (for example) *immediately* excommuncating an elder found canonically guilty of a *single case* of marital adultery -- as opposed to a certain, un-named, abominable and perverse Institution which shelters degenerate pederasts guilty of hundreds of homosexual rapes. Ergo, the_doc is not an OP (not that I would mind one bit if he were), and OP's aren't cowards. (Good grief, your own dissatisfactions wiith me attend not to my cowardice, but to your distaste for my forthrightness).
3.) Given these facts, then, why would you pretend that "the_doc" is an Orthodox Presbyterian, and label Orthodox Presbytery as "cowards"? Is the Baptist Confession of which "the_doc" is actually a Member too big a target for your slanders? Afraid that labelling "Baptists" as "cowards" would make you too many enemies in one generalization, so instead you slander the smaller target (the Orthodox Presbyterian Church)? Not very sporting, Brian... in fact, rather cowardly.

As always, IMHO.

[oremus]

Some more good reading - I promise they will blow your opinions out of the water:

MARY: HOLY MOTHER

MARY: ARK OF THE COVENANT

[Askel5]

Naturally, when speaking of Catholics not being terribly "thinskinned" as a rule, I was talking about the abuse we receive on the Church's behalf in public on the forum.

I was not speaking to the harassment of an individual by a "minister" who uses a whole 'nother side of his mouth for his private emails.

Glad you got a honk out of it, though.

[Wrigley]

And??? How does that show that she has any role in intercessing for us? It's not there. It tells us that she is favored of God, but to say that leads her to helping us is a strech.

[neocon]

I think it's important that the contempt for and bigotry against the Church stand in all its awful glory for all to see.

I'm coming 'round to your way of thinking on this. I specifically avoided reading this thread, because I could guess where it would end up, though I did not expect it to be this venomous. I wish I had not been pinged to it.

Since I haven't read more than a few of the posts, has it been pointed out that the roots of the Protestant Lord's Supper are in the agapê meal, while those of the Eucharist are in the "breaking of the bread"? Both are practiced to this day among the Orthodox Christians and "Byzantine" Catholics. If not, you might want to pursue that avenue of discussion. I, for one, do not wish to participate.

One time I had to stay up until 5am writing calming FReepmails to someone who had been so disturbed by this rancor that he couldn't get to sleep. He wasn't for a moment persuaded by any of the Calvinist arguments; he was just surprised and deeply distressed to find himself the object of such abject hatred, wrapped in the guise of Christianity. He couldn't see any semblance of Christian "love" in such animosity. Neither can I.

It was at that point that my patience entirely ran out with these people. They are bullies, and a bully does not respond to charity; he only understands a pop on the nose. So, I decided from that point on that I would either take no part in these discussions, or would do so with a pre-established limit to the amount of goading I would take.

The most damning thing I could possibly do to the Protestant position is post excerpts from some of the tracts they circulate. When I get some more free time, I will do just that.

[oremus]

Your answer is in the 2 transcripts I posted above re: Mary. Please read then we can discuss.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

You fail to comprehend the difference between civil and criminal cases. I never threatened to sue him.

[Salvation]

See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery [priests] as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God.

BTTT!

[history_matters]

My point is that the demand that everything be proved from Scripture is too small a philosophy or methodology and is in itself a non-Biblical hermeneutic. Scripture's silence cannot prove anything one way or the other. But a certain kind of protestant who insists that everything be in Scripture has a very difficult time addressing any subject not literally covered by the Scriptures.

Nonetheless, the Church who has been endowed with authority by Christ himself is able to take up the Scriptures and the sacred memory of the Church and present the Truth for all to see and learn.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

My sincere apologies OP. I assumed that because he was defended by the OPies here he was part of their group. That impression was reinforced when I briefly reviewed another thread where he had spewed forth his venom, and was defended in doing so by a few OPies.

I have made a grave mistake in lumping him in with you and the other OPies here.

I can publically attest that private FReepmails between you and I have been quite satisfactory, though our debate on several threads has been very heated.

Again, my apologies for my misunderstanding and thus insult to you and your fellow OPies here.

[RnMomof7]

How do you get all the good threats? - I didn't even get Mom's 'poison-pen' email! - Nobody likes me, but I'll show you; I'll make up a stuffy, arrogant, and ignorantly pedantic screen handle like "Dr. Stuffy Creep" or something and you'll all be jealous. :o) I mean :o(

Calvinists are smarter than the average freeper...so we will figure out who you are..

Just another day at the office

[RnMomof7]

You still have not provided Scriptural grounding for your opinion, and so it stands merely your extra-Biblical opinion without a basis in Scripture.

LOL LOL LOL ..........I hope you know what a pathetic defense of your beliefs you have presented history..have a good night

[history_matters]

Calvinists are smarter than the average freeper...so we will figure out who you are..

What would be your Scripture supporting your assertions concerning and regarding Calvinists and their level of intelligence compared to the average freeper?

[oremus]

Wrigley needs to show us the scripture verse where it says that it's *ALL in the bible*. Problem is, there is none (and quite the contrary), which throws his whole stance out the window anyway.

[RnMomof7]

:Come on! You don't think that is 'thinskinned'?

Naw just a little "raw " emotion! *grin*

[history_matters]

Not nearly as pathetic as your support for the_doc's words. You still have not supported your position with Scripture and therefore your opinion remains as extra-Biblical as any you decry.

[oremus]

I have presented an excellent defense/summary of our beliefs in the articles (transcriptions) I have posted. Did you bother to read them?

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Are the_doc's defenders, Jean Chauvin and RnMomof7, OPies?

Given his screen name and vociferous defense of the_doc, I assumed Jean Chauvin was OP, and I have seen RnMomof7 make many statements consistent with the OP positions. (Of course, there are grave differences to you apparently between OPies and the type of Baptist the_doc represents...but you know us Catholics...all you prots sound alike ;-)