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To: saradippity
2nd and final part to sara.

Remember God was going to destroy Nineveh, but they heeded His warning and the destruction was averted. God warns us when he knows we will change.

Lets pray these warnings served the purpose of why God gave them.

Mt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mark 9: 41. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

1 Cor 3: 14. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
V-15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Note above, that a mans works/rewards and salvation are two totally separate things. This mans rewards/works, can be burnt up, done away with, but even so, it has no effect on his salvation, he shall still be saved.

2 John 8:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

Consider this sara, If its our works, that reward us with salvation, then what would we need a full reward for? Are there different degrees of being saved? A less then full reward, would that mean we are just a little saved? A full reward, would that mean we were really saved big time? Lol

JH :-) PS, I'm sorry this post was so long, I'm getting old and I forget to stop sometimes. LOl

My main question for you would be, why is there no place in scripture wher we're told that a believer will ever loose his salvation, or go to hell, in those words? Why did He always use words that can have many neanings?

Since loosing our eternal life would be the worse thing that could happen to a Christian believer, why wouldn't God make sure we understood what our fate would be?

The only answer I can think of is because God knew no believer would ever loose his salvation and go to hell.

End of PS Lol

52,506 posted on 05/08/2003 9:56:32 PM PDT by JHavard (I know what it clearly says, now read my 14 page rebuttal. :-)----)
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To: JHavard; saradippity; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
JH: My main question for you would be, why is there no place in scripture wher we're told that a believer will ever loose his salvation, or go to hell, in those words? Why did He always use words that can have many neanings?

Rev 2:7   He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Since these words are being spoken to the Churches [JH: "all of us believers in His 'church,'"], They have joined with Christ, and should have Eternal security.

Now you may give all due credit for your overcoming to Jesus (which would make it, by my understanding, a manifestation of irresistible Grace), but why does this passage say you will not eat of the tree of life unless you overcome, and how could you not overcome if it was all due to Jesus?

What does overcoming mean to you?

If overcome means "receive Eternal security" why mention it to Churches that already have that, and if not, why put it in the form of a warning :"he who has ears, let him hear?"

Do you agree that the "Tree of Life" is Eternal Life?

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

The answer to your question (in paraphrase) why does it never tell us we can lose our Eternal security? is this: these passages, and the one above, clearly do say that unless we interpret them the way you do: James 1:12-15, and Mat 24:13 and Cor 9:27, and Peter 2:20 all say much the same thing, and further, James says that failure to win the crown (resist temptation) is death.

It may be that it never occurred to the authors that their message could ever have been misunderstood given the context, and they took it for granted that we would all continue to interpret the Bible in the same way. Clearly we do not. As a message of peace and love and promise, perhaps the authors felt it should remain the hopeful side of the equation and left the serious fire and brimstone up to the Pastors of the individual churches.

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52,508 posted on 05/09/2003 4:16:13 AM PDT by ventana
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