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To: Quester
Of course JESUS knew ... because JESUS knew our hearts ... that, often, we will value the creature over the Creator ... and the gift over the Giver.

So do you believe Jesus already knew the future, and how many of the RC's would put her on the same level as Him, and some would prefer praying to her over Him, and the pope would be petitioned to officially promote her to co-redeemer?

Could that explain why there doesn't seem to be even one affectionate sounding communique between Jesus and his mother?

Not that he held any animosity toward her, because she certainly didn't ask for the position she was put in, but it seems Jesus went out of his way not to encourage it, and that there would be nothing that could be pointed to later, saying He promoted it?

IMO JH :-)

49,677 posted on 04/29/2003 2:58:39 PM PDT by JHavard (Bigger Churches are better.)
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To: JHavard
'Not that he held any animosity toward her,"

This is actually a pretty interesting point. I could argue about the "woman" passage, pointing out its meaning as a term of respect. But that wouldn't matter. So, let's concede your point. Nowhere in Scripture does it say Jesus loved His mother. Though, apparently, we can be sure He didn't "hold any anomosity toward her." Thus, a Bible-only Protestant can't really even answer the question of whether or not Jesus loved His mother any more and no differently than He, say, loves you or me.

Would you agree with this?

49,681 posted on 04/29/2003 3:06:24 PM PDT by AlguyA
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To: JHavard
So do you believe Jesus already knew the future, and how many of the RC's would put her on the same level as Him, and some would prefer praying to her over Him, and the pope would be petitioned to officially promote her to co-redeemer?

Essentially ... yes, because he knew the extent of our fallen human nature.

Could that explain why there doesn't seem to be even one affectionate sounding communique between Jesus and his mother?

Not that he held any animosity toward her, because she certainly didn't ask for the position she was put in, but it seems Jesus went out of his way not to encourage it, and that there would be nothing that could be pointed to later, saying He promoted it?


I would tend to think that ... yes, JESUS wouldn't want to do anything to encourage this.

Of course, I note that these particular interchanges were not exactly private.

49,682 posted on 04/29/2003 3:10:06 PM PDT by Quester
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To: JHavard; SoothingDave; RobbyS; angelo
I have a cretinous heresy of my own to share.

I have been drawn, somehow, into thinking perhaps that the unidentified other disciple in John. Whom Jesus loved, who leaned against his breast at the Last Seder, who ran faster than Peter to get to the empty tomb, of whom Jesus said " If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee?" was You. Or me. Or any disciple of the word. The nameless disciple is an invitation to step into the Gospel, to be there.

If you could be anyone, wouldn't you want to be him?

And it is interesting to me that the very last earthly accomplishment of Jesus was to say to that very disciple "Behold thy mother!"

v.
49,686 posted on 04/29/2003 3:21:39 PM PDT by ventana
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