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To: Mr. Lucky
Are there really verses of Scripture which some believe support a repudiation by Jesus of His mother?

I would say that there is scripture which appears to indicate that JESUS placed more significance on spiritual relationship with God, as opposed to Mary's physical relationship with Him.

Sort of along the lines of ...

God is not a respecter of persons.

(2 Chronicles 19:7, Acts 10:34, Romans 2:11, Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 3:25, I Peter 1:17)
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.


Matthew 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, [his] mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

49,508 posted on 04/29/2003 12:05:02 PM PDT by Quester
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To: Quester
I would say that there is scripture which appears to indicate that JESUS placed more significance on spiritual relationship with God, as opposed to Mary's physical relationship with Him.

#1, You don't think Mary had a "Spiritual" relationship with her Son?

#2, You think Motherhood is a "physical relationship" only?

SD

49,510 posted on 04/29/2003 12:08:31 PM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: Quester
Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

If you take this in the literal fashion you seem to want to do, then you basically have introduced Jesus teaching a contradiction to Scripture.

Earlier in Luke we hear that "all generations will call her blessed." Then, according to your interpetation, Jesus contradicts that and says "Nah, forget her, blessed are the believers instead"

So how do you explain this contradiction. JEsus is commanding us here (According to you) not to consider his mother blessed, in contradiction to earlier Scripture.

SD

49,511 posted on 04/29/2003 12:11:05 PM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: Quester
Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

I guess my obscure "Trees" reference didn't hit home.

Why would anyone view this as an opportunity to bring Mary down to our level, rather than an opportunity to be lifted up to her level?

Mary is blessed and she played a special role and so can I! That is the message.

SD

49,512 posted on 04/29/2003 12:12:58 PM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: Quester
I could be a little obtuse, I suppose, but those verses don't appear to contradict the blessedness of Mary spoken to in Luke's description of the meeting of Mary and Elizabeth. Rather, they seem to tell the rest of the flock to seek that same blessedness.
49,513 posted on 04/29/2003 12:13:41 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Quester
Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Sorry, but that doesn't even relate. Unless you are arguing that Jesus had to love God more than he loved His mother. Which isn't even in dispute.

What meaning has this?

SD

49,514 posted on 04/29/2003 12:14:03 PM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: Quester
Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

But do you think at the time Jesus said this, He had any idea His mom would become more popular in the RC Church then He would be?

If he had know, would He have been a little more careful how He referred to her? :-)

JH

49,530 posted on 04/29/2003 12:39:31 PM PDT by JHavard (Whoduthunkit?)
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