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To: SoothingDave; drstevej; newgeezer; All
"This question has been open at least a week.

The reigning answer seems to be "it doesn't matter."

I've got to admit, I'm stunned at this. But so far, at least, your description of their lack of concern seems apt. The best we have -and I knew he'd come through, God bless the Calvinists- is from drstevej who admits, he doesn't "see any textual warrant to view Mary as a surrogate mother only."

On the flip side we have newgeezer's, ""Belief"? I'd be shocked if it's the subject of any doctrinal statements either way."

My heart sinks at such unconcern. Christ's humanity(along with His divinity) would seem to me to be the central point of the entire Gospel. I can't think of an issue more important.

No offense, folks, (and this is to the Protestants) but you all argue over how much water should be applied for baptism to be valid but you can't take just a few moments to maybe consider just who Jesus is?

I really don't know where to begin with this -except to say, I see more clearly than ever the work of the Holy Spirit through Christ's Church in the title, Mary, Mother of God.

49,062 posted on 04/28/2003 11:23:01 AM PDT by AlguyA
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To: AlguyA
My heart sinks at such unconcern. Christ's humanity(along with His divinity) would seem to me to be the central point of the entire Gospel. I can't think of an issue more important.

Guess you'll have to do what you always do. Call them heretics and anethmatize them. No possible way Jesus can save them now. /sarcasm.

49,068 posted on 04/28/2003 11:26:43 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: AlguyA; newgeezer
My heart sinks at such unconcern. Christ's humanity(along with His divinity) would seem to me to be the central point of the entire Gospel. I can't think of an issue more important.

Yo geeze, did you want to remind him of where Adam gets his humanity or should I? One of us could also throw in the part about "God can of these stones raise up sons of Abraham".

49,075 posted on 04/28/2003 11:32:50 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: AlguyA; biblewonk
On the flip side we have newgeezer's, ""Belief"? I'd be shocked if it's the subject of any doctrinal statements either way." My heart sinks at such unconcern. Christ's humanity(along with His divinity) would seem to me to be the central point of the entire Gospel. I can't think of an issue more important.

Unconcern? Who's unconcerned? Whose requirement is it that Jesus be biologically descended from Mary? Can someone please answer that? You and SD and the rest of the RCC are the ones who are dogmatic about it. So, the ball's in your court. Tell me why God could not have had Mary conceive Jesus -- The Last Adam -- in her womb from God's sperm and egg.

I'm willing to listen and learn. Really.

49,077 posted on 04/28/2003 11:34:05 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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To: AlguyA
I've got to admit, I'm stunned at this.

It just underscores the difference between those who only go by the Book, and and start anew each generation; and those who are free to work on the ideas of those who came before.

Like you, I was stunned that such a thing would even be questioned. It is ironic that those who think it "obvious" that a man and wife must have sex, can not see the obviousness of a mother being related to her Child.

And, the implications for the Incarnation are perilous.

SD

49,080 posted on 04/28/2003 11:36:57 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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