Baloney. There are millions of Catholic Mary worshippers that worship Mary and haven't joined The Neverending Story to learn how to venerate cover their behinds. :-)
Gulit by association. I suppose if the had held it in Athens we would be accused of worshipping some Athenian god. Any port in a storm.
Logistically would have been much more practical to keep the counsel in Rome. Refute unaccepted.
Nope. Nobody worships Mary. She is not divine.
See my first response to this idiotic statement.
, and? This guy is trafficing in the ignorance of his followers as to what "co-" means in this context. He is deliberately misleading people.
I've read enought of this "co" spin in here to. He's doing fine.
this becomes dogma, all Catholic prayers to Jesus will be expected to go first to Mary.
in, this is not true at all. I have never even heard such nonsense. I suppose the petition or definition where this is stated would be too much to ask for this charlatan to produce as evidence?
I'll give ya this one. He took too much editorial license here.
e John Paul II is a declared worshipper of Mary and he bows before her and prays to her as a mediator.
Pope worships God alone. This is a lie.
Only a divine being could have stopped an assasins' bullet. The pope claimed it was Mary. Sorry, No lie here.
Idols are gods. Mary is not a god and her statues are not idols.
To millions they are.
Mary is a skillful adaptive deception of the Queen of Heaven.
And here I thought she was the mother of Our Lord.
She is. The one in the Bible. Not the made up one.
ce Diana became worthless after the spiritual warfare of Paul and John, the Queen of Heaven needed another disguise.
na was stomped out and her memory and reverence transferred to the mother of the Lord. The only people who remember Diana are freaky fundamentalists with axes to grind.
And here the name calling continues (cuz I called you a chicken first) (wait a minute, you insinuated I was foolish) and I thought I was going to get some kind of coherent refutations.
When I suggested this to Hector Torres after returning from Turkey, he said, "Of course. Don't you realize how many pictures and idols of the Virgin Mary in Latin America have her connected to the crescent moon, the symbol of the moon goddess?"
ever Hector Torres is. This is of the line of thought that any depiction that resembles anythign pagan is by definition pagan. It's an asinine theory. There were pagan gods who died and were resurrected. That must make Jesus a pagan god as well, by that theory.
None of them really did. It was all made up. Kinda like the perpetual virginity thing.
s was news to me, but as soon as I looked, there it was! In fact, one of the frequent titles given by Catholics to Mary is "Queen of Heaven."
Yes, and what does the title mean? That she is mother of the King. Few Christians will deny this. Again, the similarity of names and images is used as proof of somethign that is simply not there. It's a form of paranoia.
I'll let other defend this "Mother of God" stuff. They're doing a good job.
is and I were horrified when, in 1996, we visited Rome for the first time and took a guided tour of the Vatican. We had not been inside the building for more than 10 minutes when we were startled to see a life-sized statue of Diana of the Ephesians on public display.
h, right.
Yeah right what? The statue isn't there?
I take it back now. You're not a chicken.
The Pope holds that Mary intervened with God to deflect the bullet. Not that Mary has any power that God didn't give to her.
This does not make her divine, any more than you exercising your God-given talents makes you divine.
The only people who remember Diana are freaky fundamentalists with axes to grind.
And here the name calling continues (cuz I called you a chicken first) (wait a minute, you insinuated I was foolish) and I thought I was going to get some kind of coherent refutations.
sorry. Let me re-state that. The only people who remember Diana are fundamentalists with axes to grind. This is of the line of thought that any depiction that resembles anythign pagan is by definition pagan. It's an asinine theory. There were pagan gods who died and were resurrected. That must make Jesus a pagan god as well, by that theory.
None of them really did. It was all made up. Kinda like the perpetual virginity thing.
You must learn to answer the argument given. That being that insisting that anything that remotely is related to paganism is to be discarded as tainted leaves you without a Savior.
Your agrument is, in reality, that since you don't believe in Mary, that you will throw pagan mud at her. But you would howl at an athiest who did the same trick with your allegedly "resurrected" god.
How long have you worshipped Mithra under an assumed name?
Yeah right what? The statue isn't there?
Yeah right, these people actually went to the Vatican. There is no evidence given as to what they are talking about, no context given, nothing.
Did they allegedly see a statue of Mary and assume it was Diana? Did they stumble upon a museum of antiquities? Was there any context to the display -- here is a false god that Christianity replaced?
Were they shocked to discover a graven image to the Biblical David in the city as well?
SD
Actually, "freaky fundamentalist with an axe to grind" would make a great tag line. ;o)