[CindyDawg]

So where do you believe we are? Hell? Caz no way can this place be Heaven.

[JHavard]

So where do you believe we are? Hell? Caz no way can this place be Heaven.

South Texas isn't West Virginia you know. :-)

JH

[nate4one]

Cindy, I would ask you to please at least think on this seriously for a moment because it is important.

God spoke to His people in covanental terms.
For instance when heaven and earth was to melt with frevant heat, it was compared to Noah. How the earth itself did not go away, all that happened was there was a new order of things. Basically God made a new covenant with creation (very important) not to destroy it again. Hence, the passing away of heaven and earth is a change in order, a change in covenant. Not a literal passing away of heaven and earth.

So yes, we are in a New Heavens and Earth. A New order of things. A completed covenant, a New Covenant with man.
When Revelation21 said the New Jerusalem descended from heaven as a BRIDE adorned for her husband, read Hebrews 12 to see who this "new Jerusalem is. And ask yourself, who is the "Bride" in scripture.
When it says no more crying, pain "for the former has passed away," ask yourself, what in scripture (covanentaly) passed away? Who is a new creation? What happened to your "old things?"

The problem with the futurist view is it is all based on whether you get all the "perks!" Forgetting that Christ said the kingdom is not of this world and is "within you" or "in your midst." And is always referred to as spiritual.
Will we be in heaven someday? Yes! But will this world be destroyed and replaced with utopia, nirvana? NO!
The Bible clearly states that "generations come and go but the earth endures forever."

God Bless,
Nate

[al_c]

Caz no way can this place be Heaven.

Careful! You may just get an escort out of this state with that kind of talk.