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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
How can you look at that scripture with "new moons" and "Sabbath to Sabbath" and say there will be no days in heaven?

I think about the language and see what God is trying to communicate. He is saying "from Sabbath to Sabbath" in the same way we would say "year after year" or "day after day."

It is an attempt using human language to express that the worship goes on forever. From moon to moon to moon to moon to moon to moon ....

From Sabbath to sabbath to Sabbath to Sabbath ....

It's not a testament to the existence of moons or Sabbaths, just s use of them to express the foreverness of the situation.

SD

51,881 posted on 05/06/2003 2:01:25 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Of all the 613 mitzvot? He failed to keep those pertaining to females. :-)

Does that mean that in the second coming he's going to return as a female, in order to fulfil all of the Law?

Of course, Mary fulfilled these commandments, so the Catholics have an out. ;o)

51,882 posted on 05/06/2003 2:01:34 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
I love this picture!


51,883 posted on 05/06/2003 2:01:55 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi
This is true of any insurance, not just life insurance.

Correct. If you have enough money, the state doesn't make you get car insurance. When you're young and naive you can rent an apartment without any insurance, gambling that nothing will get stolen.

SD

51,884 posted on 05/06/2003 2:04:28 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: al_c
Mmmm, cheese! ;o)
51,885 posted on 05/06/2003 2:05:14 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi
For this commandment which I command you this day is not too hard for you... (Deuteronomy 30:11)

Can you and have you kept the law withouit fail?

Whereas I believe that what we need is repentance and forgiveness. I don't see the sacrifice as necessary.

The law was broken, it HAS to be paid for or else God tells lies.

What does this really mean? Does that mean that the letter of the law doesn't need to be obeyed? Does that mean that one doesn't even need to try to obey the law?

It means the Holy Spirit will do it in our lifes if we yeild to Him.

BigMack

51,886 posted on 05/06/2003 2:05:54 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: malakhi
Does that mean that in the second coming he's going to return as a female, in order to fulfil all of the Law? Of course, Mary fulfilled these commandments, so the Catholics have an out. ;o)

Lol. I use this to point out that there are things in the law that don't pertain to us. But not a reason to throw the whole thing out as dispensationalists do. (oops, I meant ultra-dispensationalists) :-)

51,887 posted on 05/06/2003 2:07:57 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (Hows my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24 & 25.)
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To: SoothingDave
I don't understand. My point is that they are external shows of what should be an internal obedience/repentence/etc. If the sacrifices, as signs of the inward reality are not needed, neither are the dietary laws, which are also external signs.

The commandments were meant to be obeyed. God imposed additional restrictions on sacrifice after Sinai. In addition, through the later prophets He revealed what He really wanted instead of sacrifice. There were no parallel modifications to the dietary laws.

51,888 posted on 05/06/2003 2:09:00 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi
Hey. I found a group of Messianic types who gather on Tues. evenings to study the weekly Torah portions. Tonight is my first night.
51,889 posted on 05/06/2003 2:10:21 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (Hows my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24 & 25.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
As I said before

I know what you think. I'm trying to figure out what SoothingMack thinks. ;o)

51,890 posted on 05/06/2003 2:10:28 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
(oops, I meant ultra-dispensationalists) :-)

Its been a while since you had your @ss kicked, ain't it? :) BigMack

51,891 posted on 05/06/2003 2:11:17 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Its been a while since you had your @ss kicked, ain't it? :) BigMack

No. I am married you know. :-)

51,892 posted on 05/06/2003 2:13:00 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (Hows my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24 & 25.)
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To: malakhi
I know what you think. I'm trying to figure out what SoothingMack thinks. ;o)

See post #51891.

BigMack

51,893 posted on 05/06/2003 2:13:11 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; SoothingDave
So do you think we will observe the Sabbath as defined in the OT in heaven (i.e. day of rest, no work)???

JM
51,894 posted on 05/06/2003 2:13:43 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: malakhi
In addition, through the later prophets He revealed what He really wanted instead of sacrifice. There were no parallel modifications to the dietary laws.

Unless you don't count Jesus among the "later prophets." He was quite clear that "uncleanliness" did nto come from ingesting anything.

SD

51,895 posted on 05/06/2003 2:15:21 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: JohnnyM
So do you think we will observe the Sabbath as defined in the OT in heaven (i.e. day of rest, no work)???

Since there are numberous models of heaven here on earth such as the earthly tabernacle etc. etc. etc. And also in Colossians it says that new moons, festivals and sabbath are a shadow of things to come, (notice it doesn't say a shadow of things past) I would say yes.

51,896 posted on 05/06/2003 2:16:25 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (Hows my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24 & 25.)
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To: JohnnyM; Invincibly Ignorant
So do you think we will observe the Sabbath as defined in the OT in heaven (i.e. day of rest, no work)???

Shut up! He was about to leave to go to a bible study. :)

BigMack

51,897 posted on 05/06/2003 2:16:32 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
#1, Do they do it on Tuesday just cause it's a day before the usual Wednesday night Bible study? SD
51,898 posted on 05/06/2003 2:16:40 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Can you and have you kept the law withouit fail?

Me? Are you kidding? For much of my life I didn't even think that it applied to me. And I'm still studying and trying to learn. At the same time, I trust that God forgives my failings when I repent and seek forgiveness.

Judaism doesn't teach that man is inherently depraved. We choose to do good or evil, to obey or disobey. There is no reason that we cannot choose to obey the Law. First, we have to know what it is, and then we have to choose to do it.

The law was broken, it HAS to be paid for or else God tells lies.

It has to be paid for, but God accepts our repentance, prayer and return to obedience as sufficient.

It means the Holy Spirit will do it in our lifes if we yeild to Him.

Do you mean that the Holy Spirit will give you the grace to be able to follow the Law?

What Law do you believe you are supposed to obey?

51,899 posted on 05/06/2003 2:17:40 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Hey. I found a group of Messianic types who gather on Tues. evenings to study the weekly Torah portions. Tonight is my first night.

Cool. Maybe you can share what you learn, along with further notes from your seminar. :o)

51,900 posted on 05/06/2003 2:18:50 PM PDT by malakhi
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