The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Do you shoe Becky's horses, too?

Naw, I make her do that. :) Really the shoe jobs around here cost about $50, our shoer needed some bobcat work done, I said I got a bobcat, take it and have fun, he did, he now shoes our horses for $30. :)

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

And I wish to say pre-emptively to Mack, that the correct term today is "Afro-engineering."

SD

[malakhi]

What relationship do you see between the Hebrew scriptures and the Christian scriptures? Does the "Old Testament" serve any purpose other than to prophecy the "New Testament"? Do the commands given in the Hebrew scriptures stand? Do the promises made in the Hebrew scriptures stand?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What relationship do you see between the Hebrew scriptures and the Christian scriptures? Does the "Old Testament" serve any purpose other than to prophecy the "New Testament"? Do the commands given in the Hebrew scriptures stand? Do the promises made in the Hebrew scriptures stand?

I see them as a whole story, and I'm a dispensationalist, and the promises are true.

BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Oh yeah the $20 bucks a month or $240 year I saved by loaning the shoer the bocat, if I invest just one year of it at 10% in 15 years it will be worth $9,050.00 a $5,450.00 profit. :)

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

Where are you investing with a 10% return?

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Where are you investing with a 10% return?

Right now, no one, the best deal out there now is I Bonds at 4.66%, but the stock market has returned an average of 10% or so for many years. 12% is an amount that a shrewd investor might hope to get over a long period of time. You have to look to the long haul, and you have to plan and take care of your investements. Intrest tax free municipal bond's are cheap and a good investement now.

BigMack

[malakhi]

I see them as a whole story, and I'm a dispensationalist, and the promises are true.

Do you see any conflict between

Everything that I command you you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to it or take from it. (Deuteronomy 12:32)

and

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:2)

?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I see them as a whole story, and I'm a dispensationalist, and the promises are true.

Dispensationalists don't see them as the whole story. They see it as an age of law or an age of grace.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Do you see any conflict between

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it [Deut. 12:32].

No, They are to give heed to these commandments which the Lord gives them. If they disobey God, God will treat them as He treats the other nations. God doesn’t watch the actions of some people and disregard others. I have never understood why some Christians think they can get by with certain things that other people do not get by with. Sin is sin. If Israel does not obey the Lord, she will not be spared. So the encouragement for them is to observe to do what the Lord commands them.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death [Rom. 8:2].

“The law of the Spirit” means not only a principle of law, but also the authority which is exercised by the Spirit. “The Spirit of life” means the Holy Spirit who brings life because He essentially is life. He is the Spirit of life. “In Christ Jesus” means that the Holy Spirit is in complete union with Christ Jesus. Because the believer shares the life of Christ, He liberates the believers. “The law of sin and death” is the authority that sin had over our old nature, ending in complete severance of fellowship with God. That new nature could not break the shackles at all. Only the coming of a higher authority and power could accomplish this, namely the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit operates upon the new nature, which is vitally joined to the life of Christ.

BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Its the whole story as it unfolds in the Bible, the age of law and the age of grace go hand in hand with each other.

BigMack

[malakhi]

I read that verse from Romans differently. To me, it looks like Paul is saying man is no longer under the Law of the Torah, but rather is under the Law of the Spirit.

So Paul did not abrogate the Law? Why, then, do most Christians not follow it?

[OLD REGGIE]

Some are tipped by a sensation of smell - not my favorite because it usually is quite foul (like the smell of raw sewage in a septic system).

Some years ago I began to have powerful "smell" sensations best described as the odor of burning sulphur.

In the final analysis it proved to be an "aura" as a result of epilepsy caused by a severe fall which cracked my skull. I didn't know at the time that it was a "sanctifying" episode. In fact, I still don't see the connection. I simply thought it was just one more condition I had to learn how to live with. ;-)

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Its the whole story as it unfolds in the Bible, the age of law and the age of grace go hand in hand with each other.

I agree that law and grace go hand in hand perpetually. Christians must know that the law (Torah) is the Messiah (John 1)therefore can not be disconected from grace. Jews need to know that grace comes from the Torah (Messiah). I disagree with dispensationalists however that the age of law is confined to the OT and the age of grace is confined to the NT.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

So Paul did not abrogate the Law? Why, then, do most Christians not follow it?

We do, just not like Steven thinks we do. :) The Holy Spirit that lives in us will move us to fulfill the spirit of the law not the letter of the law.

BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I disagree with dispensationalists however that the age of law is confined to the OT and the age of grace is confined to the NT.

Really? :)

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

Some years ago I began to have powerful "smell" sensations best described as the odor of burning sulphur.

No comment.

OK, one comment. Too bad it wasn't a good smell like Krispy Kremes or steak or new car.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I read that verse from Romans differently. To me, it looks like Paul is saying man is no longer under the Law of the Torah, but rather is under the Law of the Spirit.

I interpret that verse in context to mean that man is no longer under the penalty of the law of the Torah. Remember, not one jot of title of the law will pass away until heaven and earth does. Also

Romans 3 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

[malakhi]

The Holy Spirit that lives in us will move us to fulfill the spirit of the law not the letter of the law.

What is the difference between fulfilling the spirit of the law vs. the letter of the law? Can one fulfil the spirit of the law even if he disobeys the letter of the law?

You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear him, and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and cleave to him. (Deuteronomy 13:4)

[malakhi]

Remember, not one jot of title of the law will pass away until heaven and earth does.

I know that. You know that. Others don't agree.