The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[tHe AnTiLiB]

Tell me, does the Vatican fit any of the description in the Revelation. (NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK) WHAT YOU HAVE SAID is very disrespectful and is absent of any thought process. Tell me, do you fundamentalists think only 120,000 will be saved at the Apocalypse?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Ginny, JH is talking about you!

:)

BigMack

[JHavard]

Got anymore like her in those parts? I may have to either import one or move LOL.

Funny, I was thinking of you when I was writing it, but unless you could clone a hair, forgetaboutit. :-)

We haven't thought to pray for you to find a wife, and I apologize, but hang on now, she's on the way.

Not Ginny or the hair! Lol

JH :-)

[tHe AnTiLiB]

ELABORATION-

"Seems"- Read the passage itself- Sirach 11:14

I don't see the favor in dying (not successful) religions like paganism, Buddhism, and SOME forms of Protestantism.

However, I do see the favor in a religion as successful as the Catholic Church.

[Havoc]

Read Daniel and then actually read all that Revelation has to say. You'll find that Rome is quite exclusively defined. Some of the Catholics here who are long-timers have admitted there is no way around it but prefer to think that some anti-pope will arise.. lol. One eye open and the other tightly shut. If you haven't read it before, you're in for a real depressing read.

[CindyDawg]

You guys are funny and difficult to figure out sometimes. I take piano lessons. Im getting better but I'm still really bad. My husband kept coming into the living room and would lay down on the couch awhile and then get up and leave. I figured I was bothering him so I would quit when he was around. He asked me why, because he said he liked to listen to me play. I thought that was so sweet caz at that time I didn't even like listening to me.

[JHavard]

Ginny, JH is talking about you!

No problem Mack, she never reads the thread unless I ask her to. I think she's afraid I'll ask her to push this and that thingy and send a post. hehehe

I'll bet you don't get away with anything, with Becky and her horse looking, over your shoulder, huh?

JH :-)

[Havoc]

"Seems"- Read the passage itself- Sirach 11:14

Well, I read the passage you quoted and made my assumption based on that. But that is not scripture, though it's cute. So I'm not sure how you draw this over your religion thinking it means favor is due or whatever.

I don't see the favor in dying (not successful) religions like paganism, Buddhism, and SOME forms of Protestantism. However, I do see the favor in a religion as successful as the Catholic Church.

Well, Catholicism is a successful body producer, anything beyond that is at best argumentative given it's past and it's distraction from the original gospel. Catholicism is no more garaunteed life than the Budhists I'm sorry to say. Christians have that promise but only so long as they don't stray from the true foundations of faith and onto the same path that Catholicism started out with. Don't forget, the sects that formed to make yours precursored their formation into Catholicism by persecuting and anihilating the Donatists for preaching against their dabblings with pagan religions of Rome. IE their first major noteworthy act was to reject one of God's ten commandments and annihilate a group of Christians that took them to task for it. That's the historical record. It isn't the Catholic record; but, then it doesn't make good propaganda, does it.

[Havoc]

Funny, I was thinking of you when I was writing it, but unless you could clone a hair, forgetaboutit. :-) We haven't thought to pray for you to find a wife, and I apologize, but hang on now, she's on the way. Not Ginny or the hair! Lol

LOL. Thanks. Any little bit helps. I'm surrounded in this town by Catholics, Dancers and gold diggers. That gives me a choice of a veneer resembling good, evil and the appearance of evil. I'll let you mix and match the labels with the groups ROFL.

[CindyDawg]

las Vegas?

[Havoc]

Kokomo - almost as bad. LOL. Imagine Redneck meets major Union industry.

[tHe AnTiLiB]

Give me 2 days to read the Book of Daniel, but I will leave you with this passage.

Sirach 20:13-15  "The wise man makes himself beloved through his words, but the courtesies of fools are wasted.  A fool's gift will profit you nothing, for he has many eyes instead of one.  He gives little and upbraids much, he opens his mouth like a herald; today he lends and tomorrow he asks it back; such a one is a hateful man."

[JHavard]

I thought that was so sweet caz at that time I didn't even like listening to me.

Tell me CD, when you play sheet music on the piano, do you sometimes find that when your getting near to the end of the song, you have a tendency to do the last ten notes real fast with the same key, so you can be the first to get to the end? Huh?

If it embarrasses you, you don't have to answer. :-)

JH (^g^)

[RobbyS]

Thank you for the compliment.

[Havoc]

Sirach 20:13-15 "The wise man makes himself beloved through his words, but the courtesies of fools are wasted. A fool's gift will profit you nothing, for he has many eyes instead of one. He gives little and upbraids much, he opens his mouth like a herald; today he lends and tomorrow he asks it back; such a one is a hateful man."

Try reading Solomon. Wisest man that ever lived. Oh, was the above written by a cyclops? Many eyes instead of one seems a bit of an error on someone's part. Then again, it isn't scripture so it should be expected...

[tHe AnTiLiB]

Cute? I can name quite a few Bible passages that fundamentalists take literally that are "cute." But I guess pointing out the faults of other people is just not my doing, but like all people I make mistakes. The successes the Catholic Church has achieved is unmatchable with any other religion. What significant achievement has fundamentalism achieved for the world. Other than taking up lots of channels with paid programs.

[CindyDawg]

Kokomo?

Is that the island that the Beach Boys sing about? Well, if you find a nice girl that has a twin send her my way. I'm always on the look-out for a wife for my oldest. He tends to be attracted to the wild ones and then can't understand why they don't settle down :'). Actually that's why I came here. He was engaged to a catholic girl. I really liked this one. She seemed different. (like in normal, lol). I wanted to learn more about her beliefs. Things didn't work out though but I figured I might as well stay around here and see what the other 29000 believe.

[JHavard]

Sirach 20:13-15 "The wise man makes himself beloved through his words, but the courtesies of fools are wasted. A fool's gift will profit you nothing, for he has many eyes instead of one. He gives little and upbraids much, he opens his mouth like a herald; today he lends and tomorrow he asks it back; such a one is a hateful man."

Well, at least he's starting to quote scripture, ever if it is fron the Koran.

If you would like a good KJV or a NKJ or an RS, I'd be more then pleased to buy it for you.

Let me know, I'm serious.

JH

[RobbyS]

As Rumsfield says, "My Goodness!"

[tHe AnTiLiB]

Ah, yes, Protestants pick and chose which books to listen to and which to not. Like Maccabees, Sirach. Yes, the father of Protestantism, Luther, refused to accept Maccabees because it proved the worth of praying to the dead, those who have risen. Read 2Maccabees.