The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

He had no use for the things of God, and God knew he would be like that.

I agree. "Foreknowledge" (I don't like that term, as it implies that God is bound by time) does not mean predetermination.

[SoothingDave]

You definitely have come up with a very interesting point, and, even more amazing, one that I don't recall seeing on here before. Good work.

Can you imagine the "sola scriptura" Bereans rejecting the Gospel of Matthew cause it distorts the Hebrew Bible?

SD

[biblewonk]

So in Romans 3 if we replaced all the "none" "no not one" with "no nation" "no not one nation" we'd have it right then? Or all nations have sinned and fall short of the glory of God?

[malakhi]

Hence, it would seem to me Christians, then, would perforce have to recognize that it is the Hellenized Septuagint which more accurately portrays just who the Messiah would be rather than the original Hebrew writers, and that it was the Holy Spirit who led the Gospel writer to use it. In other words, accuracy is not only not lost through the process of Hellenization, but is, in fact, gained. malakhi, the reason I pinged you was to ask if I'm overstating here, given a Christian perspective.

Oh, no, I readily concede that orthodox Christianity is hellenized.

[SoothingDave]

So I ask, to no convincing answer, what sin a newborn has committed.

The only valid answers to questions like this are in the bible but belief in Marianism gives away a persons position on biblical discernment.

At least newgeezer admited that he didn't know. Which is more honest than this bluster you are posting.

Why not just admit that your interpretation is faulty? All have not sinned. There are exceptions.

SD

[Havoc]

God can do whatever He wants to. You really should talk with the Calvinists a while. They have many good ideas. God is not sitting around waiting for us to decide that we want to follow Him.

Tell me, where does it say in scripture that good ideas tell us how God functions?

[SoothingDave]

Oh, no, I readily concede that orthodox Christianity is hellenized.

I think he was asking if the LXX was Hellenized.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Tell me, where does it say in scripture that good ideas tell us how God functions?

You don't have to remind me of your aversion from good ideas.

SD

[biblewonk]

Romans 3:23 "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

[SoothingDave]

So in Romans 3 if we replaced all the "none" "no not one" with "no nation" "no not one nation" we'd have it right then? Or all nations have sinned and fall short of the glory of God?

Just read the existing text in the manner in which it was intended to be read. There's no need to change anything. Just recognize that this "all" allows exceptions.

SD

[SoothingDave]

What sin have newborn babies committed?

SD

[biblewonk]

Just read the existing text in the manner in which it was intended to be read. There's no need to change anything. Just recognize that this "all" allows exceptions.

LOL

[malakhi]

I think he was asking if the LXX was Hellenized.

I would agree with that, too.

[RobbyS]

It is called inbreeding. It means that family relations are very different from ours. They have to work hard to avoid "Tobacco Road" degeneration. That is one reason, I think, of arranged marriage.

[OLD REGGIE]

Listen up, God did not violate Mary's Free Will. She could have chosen not to cooperate with God, that is why we praise her for her fiat. If she was a slave, then we would not consider her any more than that.

Listen up, would God have chosen Mary if he knew, and you can be certain he knew, she'd refuse?

Why do you suppose Jesus went to the trouble of nipping the "Cult of Mary" in the bud?

[Havoc]

God is not being "coy" by not submitting to your little theories. Rather, He is painting a masterpiece, using different colors and brushes. You would have Him use a power sprayer and beige cause it's more egalitarian.

No, I just do as Jesus did and take God at his word. You're the one trying to excavate new ground cause you like your philosophy over what Christ gave us from God. Just as your 3rd century predecessors decided it was not sinful to sacrifice to the Roman Gods. The spirit that perverted God's word then is alive and well in a few of you here trying to reason a way around what God's word says. Same thing different day. Scripture says "Jesus wept" - you say, "That's not what it says, you're mistranslating and limiting God." If that is mistranslating, maybe you should learn to mistranslate cause you got everything backwards. If you try doing it wrong, you might mistakenly get it right.

[SoothingDave]

Listen up, would God have chosen Mary if he knew, and you can be certain he knew, she'd refuse?

No, He wouldn't have. But that does not mean she had no Free Will.

You are confusing foreknowledge with predetermination.

Why do you suppose Jesus went to the trouble of nipping the "Cult of Mary" in the bud?

Back to the "dissing Mary" Bible verses, are we? Are we through with what "all" means?

I'm waiting for one of the "all is all" guys to answer my question about what sin the newborn have committed.

SD

[newgeezer]

All have not sinned. There are exceptions.

All have sinned.

If you must include Him in that "all," the whole of Scripture tells us He is the One and only exception.

[SoothingDave]

You're the one trying to excavate new ground cause you like your philosophy over what Christ gave us from God. Just as your 3rd century predecessors decided it was not sinful to sacrifice to the Roman Gods.

You really shouldn't make stuff like this up.

SD

[Havoc]

You don't have to remind me of your aversion from good ideas.

Has nothing to do with me and you're dodging. Where in scripture does it say that good ideas tell us how God functions? I'll even add to it to give you a clue. Where does it say your ideas trump God's statements?