Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Nope. Both are ours. If you are born with one arm missing and lose the other in an accident, do you still have an arm left? No. Both situations are yours to own whether you like it or not. They are yours to deal with. They belong to no one else and no one else can accept responsibility for them. Sin is sin is sin. You guys have a different definition of sin than what scripture gives because through philosophy you've decided to redefine how God works by overwriting him with god. The little "g" is on purpose.
According to what I was able to glean from some Mandaean web sites, they number around 50,000 total. Which is more, for example, than the total number of Karaite Jews worldwide (around 30,000).
Not if one thinks it's okay to apply human reasoning -- e.g. the pope, whomever your personal pope happens to be -- to define God's justice. ;-)
I think I recall someone once defended the "age of accountability" notion with Scripture. But, I don't recall how. For some reason -- faith in His sovereignty, certainly -- it's not something I'm terribly concerned about.
Impossible. One has to be flesh and have some clue to what they are agreeing in order to choose a master. It's as though you're asking a baby whether he wants a bicycle or a Harley Davidson for his sixteenth birthday while the kid is dividing into it's second cell.
How man-centerd can you possibly get? Do y'all out there agree with this stuff?
God can do whatever He wants to. You really should talk with the Calvinists a while. They have many good ideas. God is not sitting around waiting for us to decide that we want to follow Him.
You're trying to sell us on the notion that God can willy nilly forgive sin and remove a servant from their master with no repercussion. You are clueless. I will ask again. If God did it for Mary, why did we need Jesus. Why couldn't he have just done that for everyone instead of running the coy game.
Yes! God can "willy nilly" forgive sin. He is God.
Are you jealous that God didn't save you like Mary? I'd recommend you get over it. Not everyone gets to go in a limo, but as long as you get to your detination, you should not begrudge others.
God is not being "coy" by not submitting to your little theories. Rather, He is painting a masterpiece, using different colors and brushes. You would have Him use a power sprayer and beige cause it's more egalitarian.
SD
I don't think there is a definitive answer to this. It really isn't accurate to speak of "the Septuagint" as one, bound, definitive text.
FYI
What is the Septuagint?
The simple answer is that the Septuagint is the Greek translation (from Hebrew) of the Jewish Scriptures, the Christian Old Testament.
Unfortunately, several revisions of this translation were made, and different scholars mean different things when they refer to the 'Septuagint'.
Some mean the original translation of the Torah, which was done in the third century B.C. Some mean the original translation of the entire Old Testament plus Apocrypha, which was done over the next century or so. But so many revisions have been made, that none of these these original translations exist. So some scholars will use 'Sepatuagint' to refer to a particular revision of the translation. But even these can only be reconstructed from what manuscripts we have. So still other scholars will use 'Septuagint' to refer to a particular manuscript of the Septuagint.
So be wary when you read about 'The Septuagint'. It can mean different things to different scholars.Which Septuagint?
The above is poorly worded. What I mean is, does "salvation" in the gospel mean same thing as "salvation" in the Hebrew scriptures?
The only valid answers to questions like this are in the bible but belief in Marianism gives away a persons position on biblical discernment.
No I proffer that if Jesus says that Elias has to return first, that he must return first. You are the one trying to dodge what is said by Christ by injecting foolishness.
Thanks. You know, the more I consider this the more I think there is an interesting thought to follow. As malakhi points out above, the writer of the Gospel according to Matthew in essence views the Greek translation, the Septuagint, to be the inspired version of Isaiah vis-a-vis the purer original Hebrew. Now Christians believe the one 'inspiring' the writer was, in fact, the Holy Spirit -God Himself. malakhi, I know you don't believe this, but Christians do. Hence, it would seem to me Christians, then, would perforce have to recognize that it is the Hellenized Septuagint which more accurately portrays just who the Messiah would be rather than the original Hebrew writers, and that it was the Holy Spirit who led the Gospel writer to use it. In other words, accuracy is not only not lost through the process of Hellenization, but is, in fact, gained. malakhi, the reason I pinged you was to ask if I'm overstating here, given a Christian perspective. To wit, is it correct to say the Septuagint is, in some sense, "Hellenized?"
Stephen, the reason I pinged you was because I thought you may have some comment on this. I'm finding it fairly interesting.
No. A proper understanding of what Paul had to deal with (similar to what David had to deal with when he wrote similar language - "no one is righteous, no not one") shows that it is the word "all" that is being missunderstood. Paul is again trying to get the point across that the Jews have no inherent sanctity that will save them apart from accepting Christ. As David leads us to understand that it is possible to be "in" the covenant without being "of" the covenant, Paul deals with Judaisers. "All have sinned" is just a legitimately "No group of people is without sin (Jew, Gentile, etc.etc.)"
Thank you Mack!
Here is another interesting verse.
and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. (Ecclesiastes 12:7)
Well, Becky is welcome to answer too! :o)
He asked for similarities, I gave them to him along with some contrast.
Why not? With so many today interested only in the KJV? Many of them feel it is superior to the Greek as well.
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