[SoothingDave]

No, dear friend, like I said, at Mary's conception she was saved. She never sinned at all. Please try to learn a thing or two about the Catholic faith sometime before you die. You might be surprised. Put down the comic books.

Impossible. One has to be flesh and have some clue to what they are agreeing in order to choose a master. It's as though you're asking a baby whether he wants a bicycle or a Harley Davidson for his sixteenth birthday while the kid is dividing into it's second cell.

How man-centerd can you possibly get? Do y'all out there agree with this stuff?

God can do whatever He wants to. You really should talk with the Calvinists a while. They have many good ideas. God is not sitting around waiting for us to decide that we want to follow Him.

You're trying to sell us on the notion that God can willy nilly forgive sin and remove a servant from their master with no repercussion. You are clueless. I will ask again. If God did it for Mary, why did we need Jesus. Why couldn't he have just done that for everyone instead of running the coy game.

Yes! God can "willy nilly" forgive sin. He is God.

Are you jealous that God didn't save you like Mary? I'd recommend you get over it. Not everyone gets to go in a limo, but as long as you get to your detination, you should not begrudge others.

God is not being "coy" by not submitting to your little theories. Rather, He is painting a masterpiece, using different colors and brushes. You would have Him use a power sprayer and beige cause it's more egalitarian.

SD

[Havoc]

God can do whatever He wants to. You really should talk with the Calvinists a while. They have many good ideas. God is not sitting around waiting for us to decide that we want to follow Him.

Tell me, where does it say in scripture that good ideas tell us how God functions?

[Havoc]

God is not being "coy" by not submitting to your little theories. Rather, He is painting a masterpiece, using different colors and brushes. You would have Him use a power sprayer and beige cause it's more egalitarian.

No, I just do as Jesus did and take God at his word. You're the one trying to excavate new ground cause you like your philosophy over what Christ gave us from God. Just as your 3rd century predecessors decided it was not sinful to sacrifice to the Roman Gods. The spirit that perverted God's word then is alive and well in a few of you here trying to reason a way around what God's word says. Same thing different day. Scripture says "Jesus wept" - you say, "That's not what it says, you're mistranslating and limiting God." If that is mistranslating, maybe you should learn to mistranslate cause you got everything backwards. If you try doing it wrong, you might mistakenly get it right.