The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[SoothingDave]

I know you disagree with the identification, but

There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salo'me (Mark 15:40)

Thank you for at least understanding the question. Yes, I must disagree. This is not Mary, the mother of Jesus. Were it so, I think she would be identified as Mary the mother of Jesus.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

As someone who sinned, he understood grace and forgiveness.

Alot of my Christian contemporaries would be surprised to know grace and forgiveness existed in the OT as well. :-)

[SoothingDave]

Please refer me to any Biblical citation where anyone other than Jesus is referred to as a child of Mary.

Matthew 13
54When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, "Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? 56And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?"

Only Jesus is referreed to here as a child of Mary.

Please, don't bother trying again.

SD

[newgeezer]

In other words, "we can't explain" and "You are ignorant of Scripture for even asking."

I hope malakhi realizes that interpretation of my response is 180 degrees off the mark.

Don't do it again.

[malakhi]

Yeah, it's really an eyeopener to get up thru the night, walk thru a dark house and step on a pile of guts, or a head, especially in summer when your barefooted. Yuck!

I guess we've been lucky -- all our mice have been in the basement. I have, however, had the dubious pleasure of stepping on fresh hairballs when barefoot. Ick!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Surely the church can now return to that model that was manifest in its earliest years.

Can I get a couple of amens? (at least) :-)

Amen! Amen! :)

BigMack

[biblewonk]

Very interesting. The law, all 635ish laws not just the 10 commandments, is called a curse in the NT. A person in the bible once told Jesus that he had kept the whole law, that unburdensome thing, and Jesus told him that he still lacked.

[newgeezer]

Only Jesus is referreed to here as a child of Mary.

No explanation, other than to imply Jesus's brothers and sisters are not Mary's children.

How convenient.

[malakhi]

Can I get a couple of amens?

Amen!

[malakhi]

I've started reading the Dead Sea Scrolls (The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English, trans. and introduction by Geza Vermes). I finished reading the 100 page introduction and background. Vermes has a different take on the dating of the scrolls, placing most of them in the second and first centuries BCE. I'll have to pull out Eisenman again to look up his reasoning for a later date.

[biblewonk]

What the bible says on this point is crystal clear to all but those whose understanding is blinded by their manmade traditions. Mary had other children, Jesus's brothers and sisters. Of course, in order to shore up their extra-biblical, elevated status for His mother, the RC system conveniently perverts the Word of God, claiming His brothers weren't really His "brothers." For some reason, we're supposed to believe they really meant his "cousins" when they said, "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And His sisters, ..."

It's just like Baptists who first want to be teatotalitarians then have to re-define wine to mean grape juice in those embarassing places where Jesus is drinking and creating it.

[malakhi]

Any plans for Passover?

[malakhi]

The law, all 635ish laws not just the 10 commandments, is called a curse in the NT

Paul calls the Law a curse. Jesus does not.

[biblewonk]

That's understandable. It proves there is little benefit to looking at the words in a vacuum, apart from the context of Scripture.

Letting scripture interpret scripture is the key to understanding the word of God.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Very interesting. The law, all 635ish laws not just the 10 commandments, is called a curse in the NT. A person in the bible once told Jesus that he had kept the whole law, that unburdensome thing, and Jesus told him that he still lacked.

No. If read in context you would conclude "the curse of the law" is one who observes it thinking his efforts will save him. Otherwise Paul himself wouldn't have taken great pains to keep feasts, Sabbath, and nazarite vow. And Jesus wouldn't have said "If you love me you will keep my commands".

[biblewonk]

Paul calls the Law a curse. Jesus does not.

So.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us? (Mark 6:3)

There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salo'me (Mark 15:40)

Baghdad Dave: This is not Mary, the mother of Jesus. Were it so, I think she would be identified as Mary the mother of Jesus.

:)

BigMack

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'll have to pull out Eisenman again to look up his reasoning for a later date.

This is the reason I had some trouble with Eisenman. He doubted the dating of the damascus document. Not that this doubt in and of itself was troublesome but alot of his stuff was based on his own supposition regarding the dates of that document.

[newgeezer]

Didn't this do anything for "made" vs. "born"?

Since no one replied, I'd inferred some sort of victory from that silence. ;-)

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Any plans for Passover?

Yup. Thursday night at Roeh Israel. 500 tickets sold. My 25 year old son is attending with me. You?