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To: newgeezer
What the bible says on this point is crystal clear to all but those whose understanding is blinded by their manmade traditions. Mary had other children, Jesus's brothers and sisters. Of course, in order to shore up their extra-biblical, elevated status for His mother, the RC system conveniently perverts the Word of God, claiming His brothers weren't really His "brothers." For some reason, we're supposed to believe they really meant his "cousins" when they said, "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And His sisters, ..."

It's just like Baptists who first want to be teatotalitarians then have to re-define wine to mean grape juice in those embarassing places where Jesus is drinking and creating it.

46,851 posted on 04/15/2003 9:21:54 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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I added Gen 3 and a bit more of what is meant by Mat 11:11.

Anti-Marian verses

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

I had to add Gen 3 to build on mat 11:11. Both show that Jesus is not of Mary's seed since here we see that seed does NOT mean physical seed. If it did it would have to mean that for the serpent too.

Luke 11:27,28 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare these and the paps which thou has sucked.
but he said, Yea rather , blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Mat:125 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Normal reading of this says they had sex after she bore the Lord.

Mat: 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

In other words He is not of Mary. She is not His mother genetically. He did not come from one of her eggs. Sure he came through her but he is not of her.

Mat 12:46-50 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:31-35 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for the.
and he answered them, saying, who is my mother, or my brethren?
And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother and my sister, and mother.

Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisdec.

Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Jesus has no mother spiritually and typically

Gal 4:22-31:
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Notice that there really is a mother of the church and it isn't Mary! Once again Mary is not even mentioned.

Misrepresented Mary Verses

I'll add these soon

46,862 posted on 04/15/2003 9:34:27 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: biblewonk
It's just like Baptists who first want to be teatotalitarians then have to re-define wine to mean grape juice in those embarassing places where Jesus is drinking and creating it.

...not to mention the fact that people were accustomed to getting "well drunk" on the good stuff such as He made.

Oh, well. Thankfully, the teatotalitarians aren't (to my knowledge) preaching a false Gospel.

46,865 posted on 04/15/2003 9:42:12 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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