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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
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| 3/24/01
Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Some prefer no work.
I kinda like that one. :)
Consider it yours then. :-)
Tell dad Hi, and that the Human Services Dept. should be visiting any day now to see if what he tells me about you is true.
JH :-)
To: nate4one
False hope because you expect a physical manifestation of this. I believe in the spiritual reality of this starting in AD 70.Quite frankly, I don't care if its physical or spiritual. I'm just glad its gonna happen. Now that's hope.
To: nate4one
What makes you think that this used-to-be futurist didn't have that experience to get where I am today?What makes you think that's what I think?
To: JHavard
We can always debate how we feel our belief is more reasonable then others, just as some prefer Chevy’s over Fords or Plymouths, but they both take us from point A to B, and B is the kingdom of heaven.
JH :-)
You have posted this before. And I have always agreed.
I believe by to my whole being that this one thing is true. It fits the whole of scripture all too well.
But even if it is, it is God's place to reveal it to all.
And I believe 100 pct that why He does not, in all the differences in the church, is because they are there for the benefit of those who believe it. Just as you said.
But because God allows this, does not make the particulars we believe true. Still either free-will or forced will is true. Either He came or He did not. Eitrher tongues is for today or it is not, etc. But only A or B is true.
Therefore I will believe A, or B. And when I believe that, and see someone I believe has not realized the truth of A or B, I am obligated to say so.
I do not believe it is necessary for salvation, but whether you believe it or not, TRUTH will always add, never take away from the fulfillment we have as God's children.
Nate
To: Invincibly Ignorant
I'm just glad its gonna happen. Now that's hope.
And I am just glad it happened.
That is fulfillment!!
"A hope deffered makes the heart sick, but a longing fulfilled is a tree of life." Proverbs 13:12
To: All
Going down to the Bradley Center in Milwaukee tonight to see Billy Joel and Elton John in concert. Woo hoo!! :o)
46,466
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04/08/2003 1:28:08 PM PDT
by
malakhi
(Visualize global warming. Help stamp out winter!)
To: malakhi
Going down to the Bradley Center in Milwaukee tonight to see Billy Joel and Elton John in concert. Woo hoo!! :o) They need to set up shop in Vegas or Atlantic City and make you come to them!
We checked into the Journey/REO Speedwagon/Styx tour, but they just want too much money for these things nowadays.
SD
To: nate4one
And I am just glad it happened. That is fulfillment!!"A hope deffered makes the heart sick, but a longing fulfilled is a tree of life." Proverbs 13:12
It hasn't happened. You're still in a fallen state. Proof? I have a receeding hairline and you probably still have a pimple.
Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
To: nate4one
So where do you believe you (literally) go when you die?
To: Invincibly Ignorant
own conceit?
I hold my opinion of past fulfillment no more than you hold yours of future.
You have always resorted to personal scripture like this as if my level of conficence, which you accuse as pride, are any higher than yours.
You're still in a fallen state. Proof? I have a receeding hairline and you probably still have a pimple.
MAn looks at the outside, God looks at the heart. This is the point of scripture. Appearance has jack to do with a "fallen state."
To: CindyDawg
To be with the Lord.
But like in Isaiah, the picture of "heavens and earth" are not literal for this world. They are descriptions of a restored Edenic relationship with the Father. the purpose of Christ.
Never forget that He came into this world not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
To: SoothingDave; malakhi
Going down to the Bradley Center in Milwaukee tonight to see Billy Joel and Elton John in concert. Woo hoo!! :o) We checked into the Journey/REO Speedwagon/Styx tour, but they just want too much money for these things nowadays.
Live in the now, man!
To: nate4one
I hold my opinion of past fulfillment no more than you hold yours of future.Great. This is the first time you've recognized that it's only an opinion. I'm used to you Lording it over in here.
You have always resorted to personal scripture like this as if my level of conficence, which you accuse as pride, are any higher than yours.
Whats that about a pot and kettle?
MAn looks at the outside, God looks at the heart. This is the point of scripture. Appearance has jack to do with a "fallen state."
That is certainly true although in your case its used to justify your denial. Appearance? My physical body is still subject to decay in the universe. Therefore I still have hope. Sorry that in your conceit you don't.
To: trad_anglican
Live in the now, man! About 2 years after I got married, I realized that I didn't need any new music. I had already passed my formative years.
Now I'm so old that Metallica is older than the babysitter. Appetite for Destruction is ancient history.
SD
To: All
Who's the mathematician here?
If a 24 hour day in heaven, is the same as a thousand years to us humans on earth, what part of a day, or how many minutes would a man who lives to be 80 years old represent?
I can't believe I used to love problems like this, but now I can't figure it.
JH :-)
To: nate4one
ok, let me try this again. Where will you and the Lord be? (and please don't tell me heaven since I'm not sure where you believe heaven is. Got a map? :') ).
To: SoothingDave
Try country, Dave. It stays with you. :')
46,477
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04/08/2003 3:02:03 PM PDT
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CindyDawg
(Just avoid the Dixie Chicks though)
To: JHavard
42048000 mins
BigMack
To: JHavard
If a 24 hour day in heaven, is the same as a thousand years to us humans on earth, what part of a day, or how many minutes would a man who lives to be 80 years old represent?
Per your questions parameters ... a man living for 80 years on earth ... has lived for about 2 heavenly (that's time and not condition) hours.
To: Quester; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; All
Per your questions parameters ... a man living for 80 years on earth ... has lived for about 2 heavenly (that's time and not condition) hours.
Thank you, for breaking it down for me, I was just starting on Mack’s minute break down.
Then when God says, the day is near, or the time is short, then through His eyes, if we are 40 years old, we have one hour left before judgment day.
When we are 60 years old, in God's eyes, we have a half hour before judgment.
No wonder when He says "seek ye the Lord while He may be found," He knows we humans haven't time to waste.
According to that, I have a round 13 minutes left, before judgment day.
Forgive me if my post are short. :-) JH
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