Posted on 08/20/2024 10:27:20 AM PDT by metmom
John also wrote John 20:23. I noticed that you skipped that one, as always.
What about it? What does that have to do with the forgiveness of sins?
Thanks for asking
See Post #35.
I found "penance" 66 times in the Bible.
As far as "repentance", see Post #36.
You're right on only one thing: there is difference between the two.
There is a very real thing which happens, where people ask questions, not for honest answers, but to merely justify their behavior. I’ve seen it untold times during biblical counseling.
But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
Not saying anyone specific here is doing this, but it happens more often than it is noticed.
66 verses incorrectly rendered by the Douay-Rheims. Bad translation...bad theology.
"And if they be converted in their heart in the land to which they were led captive, and do penance, and pray to thee in the land of their captivity, saying: We have sinned, we have done wickedly, we have dealt unjustly: | |
| 7 | "And my people, upon whom my name is called, being converted, shall make supplication to me, and seek out my face, and do penance for their most wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their land. |
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12Then the LORD appeared to Solomon at night and said to him, “I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for Myself as a house of sacrifice. 13“If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among My people, 14and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land. New Catholic Bible
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14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. RSVCE
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14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, pray, seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. NRSVCE
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Face it ebb.....you're using a translation that is rendering your position as invalid.
I’ll take St. Jerome over any prot or post VC II “bible”.
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
See tagline.
It is, no doubt.
However, it is not unscriptural for civil or legal justice to be done and the forgiveness to take place anyways.
My forgiving the person does not necessarily exempt them from the consequences of law breaking.
Mostly it sets ME free.
A very good answer.
Thank you.
A bad translation leading to bad theology.
You keep swinging and missing.
Amen metmom!
A FReeper once remarked (years ago,can’t remember who) “being unforgiving is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to get sick”
I have heard the claim that penance (according to Catholicism) is to show how sorry you are for your sin.
However, there are a couple problems with that.
One is that God already knows if we’re truly sorry for the sin or not. Of just sorry we got caught.
And the second is that nothing shows sorrow for sin than turning from it, aka repenting, and not doing it any more instead of just performing a few religious exercises to avoid hellfire.
Forgiveness is NOT earned, merited or otherwise apprehended through any actions of our own.
Forgiveness is ALWAYS a gift, freely given, no strings attached, by the person offended. If it’s earned or worked for, it ceases to be a give and becomes payment of a debt owed. But the problem is, death is the penalty for sin and we cannot pay the debt we owe for our sin.
There is nothing we can do that comes remotely close to the one time all forgiving sacrifice of Christ. Nothing.
Probably one of Rome's bigger errors....among many.
Then you must have heard that after you apostatized from the Catholic Church.
Why should any catholic listen to you?
Fascinating Post FRiend.
That's the question we're asking of you....with this modification.....why should anyone listen to you?
There is no such word in the sacred manuscripts. It had to be added by man in your bible, maybe for better understanding or maybe for a nefarious reason. Post a verse with penance and let's see if we can find how man monkeyed with the manuscripts. Is the word in italics like the KJV when a word is added?
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