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To: ebb tide; metmom
12Then the LORD appeared to Solomon at night and said to him, “I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for Myself as a house of sacrifice. 13“If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among My people, 14and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:12-14 NASB 95

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12Then the LORD appeared to Solomon at night and said to him, “I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for Myself as a house of sacrifice. 13“If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among My people, 14and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land. New Catholic Bible

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14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. RSVCE

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14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, pray, seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. NRSVCE

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Face it ebb.....you're using a translation that is rendering your position as invalid.

48 posted on 08/20/2024 4:32:31 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom

I’ll take St. Jerome over any prot or post VC II “bible”.


49 posted on 08/20/2024 4:34:31 PM PDT by ebb tide (Why are the "sola scriptura" folks such cherry-pickers?)
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To: metmom
From the prot KJV "bible":

Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. John Chapter 20.

See tagline.

50 posted on 08/20/2024 4:47:53 PM PDT by ebb tide (Why are the "sola scriptura" folks such cherry-pickers?)
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To: ealgeone

I have heard the claim that penance (according to Catholicism) is to show how sorry you are for your sin.

However, there are a couple problems with that.

One is that God already knows if we’re truly sorry for the sin or not. Of just sorry we got caught.

And the second is that nothing shows sorrow for sin than turning from it, aka repenting, and not doing it any more instead of just performing a few religious exercises to avoid hellfire.

Forgiveness is NOT earned, merited or otherwise apprehended through any actions of our own.

Forgiveness is ALWAYS a gift, freely given, no strings attached, by the person offended. If it’s earned or worked for, it ceases to be a give and becomes payment of a debt owed. But the problem is, death is the penalty for sin and we cannot pay the debt we owe for our sin.


55 posted on 08/20/2024 5:09:29 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus”)
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