Born-Again zealots always make sure that Jesus Crucified is not on the Cross
Posted on 05/16/2024 7:11:27 AM PDT by ebb tide
Born-Again zealots always make sure that Jesus Crucified is not on the Cross
In Holy Scripture, St. Paul says, “There shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.” (2 Timothy 4:3)
The sound doctrine of Christ is to embrace and live the Cross of Christ and to do penance for our sins, but instead we have false teachers today who run about luring millions into the deception of presuming on God’s mercy. This heresy has especially taken root in the “born-again” sect, which is grounded in the unwillingness to account for sin. The born-again formula is to simply accept Christ as “personal savior” to secure “being saved” without any need for works, penance, or prayer.
However, this personal savior formula is worthless and unfounded. Nowhere in the Gospel does Christ prescribe such a thing, nor is the term “personal savior” found anywhere in the Bible.
Abstract and Impersonal
The fact is that the born-again religion is very abstract and impersonal. They cry “Lord, Lord,” but they don’t want to see Christ’s pictures, they don’t want to see his face, they don’t want to hear his voice, they refuse to hear his prophets, they refuse to obey his commands, they mock his miracles and saints, they refuse to look at a Crucifix – they want nothing to do with him! They just want to scrap Catholicism and feel “saved” on account of it.
Luther’s definition of “repent” was to protest the Catholic Church and the born-again sect echoes this ideology to the core. What they have fashioned for themselves is a manmade counter-church without spirit – a golden calf.
Luther’s Invention
The born-again idea of unconditional forgiveness was started by Martin Luther. As a secret society initiate, he engaged in lengthy conversations with the devil, which in turn gave birth to his “doctrine on justification.” He referred to the Catholic Church as a “whore” and called the pope a “pig.” He lived a life of adultery and blasphemed Christ by saying:
“Christ committed adultery first of all with the woman at the well… Secondly with Mary Magdalene, and thirdly with the woman taken in adultery.” (Luther’s Works, American Edition, Volume 54, p. 154, Concordia Publishing House.)
With his blackened conscience catching up with him, Luther then invented the idea of “sin and be saved” so that he wouldn’t have to feel accountable for his sins.
Luther’s famous quote to his associate Philip Melanchthon expresses perfectly his doctrine on justification.
"Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly…. No sin will separate us from the Christ, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day.” (From Luther’s letter to Philip Melanchthon, August 1, 1521, LW Vol. 48, pp. 281, 282)
Herein lies the crux of Luther’s doctrine, which forms the basis of the Born-Again religion. According to the born-again “Christians,” one needn’t obey God to be saved since Jesus “already paid the price,” but Jesus didn't die on the Cross so we can sin. He died rather that we may never sin again. He said, "Follow me," he didn't say follow our lusts and passions, or to run after false prophets.
People will argue that Christ is Savior and that only he can save. Christ indeed is the Savior of the world but he won’t save anyone unless they obey him. “For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.” (Romans 2:13)
Heaven Gained by Merit
One is justified by works, love, and obedience, not by empty lip service. As Christ says, "Why do you call me, Lord, Lord; and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6: 46) What Christ requires is obedience and the keeping of his commandments. "If you love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15)
Scripture tells us that Christ will "render to every man according to his works." (Romans 2:6) The Apostle James reminds us that “faith without works is dead.” (James 2: 20,26). Christ Himself said that neglecting good works incurs eternal damnation. On Judgment Day He will declare to the negligent:
“Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me…. And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.” (Matthew 25: 41-43, 46)
Being Born Again is about Being Baptized
Born-again zealots often quote Christ’s words to Nicodemus concerning spiritual rebirth, thinking the Bible is on their side, but their idea of being born again has no scriptural basis. Being born again refers strictly to Catholic Baptism whereby one is cleansed from the guilt of Original Sin. As Christ himself said, “Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5) Note that the application of water is indispensable. There is no spiritual rebirth without the application of water.
Salvation Granted Only After Death
Being born again (baptized) simply places one on the path to salvation, but to be saved we must “work out our salvation with fear and trembling” (Philip. 2:12) and “persevere to the end.” (Matt. 24:13) There is no “being saved” in this life. Salvation is granted after death.
While the Apostles sometimes refer to our “being saved,” they mean it in the sense of being rescued and brought onboard onto Peter’s Barque, since anyone can fall from grace and be like the dog that “returns to its vomit.” (2 Peter 2:22) St. Paul makes it clear to the Ephesians:
"Know you this and understand, that no fornicator, or unclean, or covetous person (which is a serving of idols), hath inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words. For because of these things cometh the anger of God upon the children of unbelief. Be ye not therefore partakers with them. (Ephesians 5:5,6)
Note that the Apostle is speaking to the Ephesians who were baptized (reborn). He warns them not to be deceived, that anyone without exception who offends mortally will not be saved.
He likewise exhorted the Galatians to “Stand fast, and be not held again under the yoke of bondage.” (5:1) He says they are “fallen from grace” and “made void of Christ” who return to circumcism and who fall to the works of the flesh (4,5). He identifies the works of the flesh as “fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury… sects, envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like” and goes on to say ”that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5:19-21)
Again, the Apostle was speaking to those who were reborn, warning that they will lose their salvation if they fall from grace.
No Forgiveness Without Forgiving
Still again, Jesus says in the Gospel, “If you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences.” (Mt. 6:15) What this means is that if one doesn’t repent of this sin but dies holding a grudge, he will not be forgiven but will be banished from the Kingdom, whether he is reborn or not.
But the born-agains will retort by saying, “Oh no, it doesn’t apply to me because I’m already saved,” but Christ didn’t say that. Under the pretext of honoring scripture, they use the scriptures to advance their contempt of scripture and its Author.
Misunderstanding about the Works of the Law
The born-again group has their pet verses of scripture marked out thinking falsely that they support their ideology, but to them Christ says: “Search the scriptures, for you think in them to have life everlasting; and the same are they that give testimony of me.” (John 5:39) One of their favorite verses is from Romans.
“By the works of the law no flesh shall be justified before him… For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.” (Romans 3: 20, 28)
When St. Paul repeatedly tells us that we are not justified by the works of the law, he’s not speaking of good works, which Christ commanded, but is speaking of the ceremonial works of the old Jewish Law where they did circumcism and offered animals in sacrifice. Christ came to do away with all that. The Apostle is simply saying that we’re not justified by being Jew but are justified by being Christian.
One True Church
The Catholic Church is the One Institution of Faith established by Christ, outside of which there is no salvation. The Church is the unwritten word of God while the Bible is the written word, but both are of equal authority and must be accepted by the faithful. St. Paul himself says:
“Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” (2 Thess. 2:14) That is, whether by our spoken word or by our written word.
Revelation then is twofold, i.e., the Church and the Bible. Faith consists of embracing all that Christ left us yet the protestant-born again sects reject the unwritten word as well as seven canonical books of the Bible, i.e., the six deuterocanonical books and the Epistle of James.
Where is their love of the Bible? Luther’s ‘Bible only’ idea (sola scriptura) was just an excuse to get away from Christ. He was all about protesting Christian morals and then using the Bible to excuse this, which is what the born-agains do. They twist and use scripture to justify their rebellion, but anyone of spiritual sense should understand that looking for excuses for sinning in the Bible is not the way to Heaven.
How is it that they miss this?
And speaking of Greek… and the ACCURATE translation of words found in the NT:
g3341. μετάνοια metanoia; from 3340; (subjectively) compunction (for guilt, including reformation); by implication, reversal (of (another's) decision): — repentance. AV (24) - repentance 24; a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done
Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. (Heb 6:1,2)
If somebody, or a false religion, tries to hoodwink people to think the word means "penance" then they should rot.
"Repentance" and "repent" are more accurate translations.
They are liars.
Anything ceremonial, type/antitype ended at the cross. However, you are more than welcome to observe any day you wish.
More Catholic dogma BS...
Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, the visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful, and as pastor of the entire Catholic Church, has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered:[1] that, in brief, “the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.”[2]
The doctrine had the most significance in the relationship between the church and the temporal state, in matters such as ecclesiastic privileges, the actions of monarchs and even successions.
More false security.
You’re in for a surprise.
And you are free to observe any Catholic day you wish.
Doesn’t make any of those Catholic days His Sabbath.
Doesn’t make any of those Catholic months His months.
And we’ll see whether Catholic days and months win over His Days and His months..
From new month to new month, from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh will come to worship Him who made heaven, the earth, the fountains of water..
The Catholic days and months are numbered..
That’d normally be music to Protestants ears, but they need them more than they know..
So does Islam and Judaism
Amazingly prophetic..
——>Doesn’t make any of those Catholic days His Sabbath.
Catholics don’t keep God’s 7th-day-Sabbath
——>Doesn’t make any of those Catholic months His months.
It’s new moon to new moon. That’s it. Every 30 days. Period.
——>The Catholic days and months are numbered..
There’s no reason why I should care about that.
——>And we’ll see whether Catholic days and months win over His Days and His months..
7th-day Sabbath, since creation, commemorating creation, by the Creator. Weekly, monthly cycle, since creation.
He has one 7th Day Sabbath.
He has 4 Sabbath’s in each of His months.
The 15th, which is a High annual Sabbath in His 1st and 7th months.
The 22nd, which is a High annual Sabbath in His 7th month.
He has 6 work days between those 15th and 22nd Days.
Those days are the 16th,17th,18th,19,20th,21st.
In His 2nd month, He sent Israel manna from heaven and a double portion of manna on His 21st Day, so they didn’t have to go out and collect manna on His Sabbath,the 22nd.
Amazingly coincidental,the Passover Lamb was the First fruits of those who fell asleep on the 16th of His 1st month,which is recorded in the New testament as the first day of the week,a pattern that is repeated in Exodus 16.
The 16th days of His 1st,2nd and 7th months all follow His Annual Sabbath (15th) in His 1st and 7th and happens to be the first of 6 days where He sent manna to Israel in His 2nd month.
That’s at least a couple witnesses, including part of Paul’s first importance of the gospel, that your Catholic Beast days are fake and counterfeit the Truth.
I don’t care if you don’t care about it.
Just making it clear so you don’t have an excuse when your Sabbath doesn’t align with His..
You don’t have to stop selling the Beast system.
I just prefer to buy gold,refined by fire..
Choosing one Beast day over another doesn’t make it Truth.
Your harlot daughter denomination just thinks one Beast Day is holy over another Beast day..
I’ve shown you the scripture that proves that there hasn’t been a continuous 7 day cycle since the beginning, but you are free to ignore it and trust in the Catholic Roman Beast system for your work and worship.
Good luck with that..
——>I’ve shown you the scripture that proves that there hasn’t been a continuous 7 day cycle since the beginning...
All you showed me was incomprehensible gibberish (no offense). Can you find even one person on this site that agrees with your ridiculous statements? Even one? Bob was right.
To think that YOU know better than the people/ancestors that preincarnate Jesus Christ spoke to at Mount Sinai about what day the Sabbath is and the creation 7 day weekly cycle and then meticulously kept by them for thousands of years? YOU know better than they? YOU?
Ezekiel 46:1 is gibberish?
Yikes
Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits is gibberish?
In accordance with the scriptures isn’t popular apparently in your circle.
You need support for your doctrines of demons to make you feel secure?
Another Yikes
Who cares what some stigmatic mystic says? How do you know he is even in Heaven? Have you forgotten you REFUSED to affirm his Luther declaration in past conversations?!
My eternal security is based upon the promises of my Savior Jesus Christ and not false assurances from a manmade organization that relies more upon its proclaimed "saints" than the very word of God.
AMEN!
Yes...in more ways than that one! It’s not too hard to see the Pope as the False Prophet of the end times.
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To think that YOU know better than the people/ancestors that preincarnate Jesus Christ spoke to at Mount Sinai about what day the Sabbath is and the creation 7 day weekly cycle and then meticulously kept by them for thousands of years? YOU know better than they? YOU?..
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Christ died on the 6th Day. YOU think that’s the Catholic Friday.
I’ve been taught in the scriptures that His 6th Day is Passover.
Christ laid in the tomb on the 7th Day Sabbath. YOU think that’s the Catholic Saturday.
I’ve been taught in the scriptures that His 7th Day Sabbath is the 15th Day, Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Christ rose from the grave on the 1st workday. YOU think that’s the Catholic Sunday.
I’ve been taught in the scriptures that His 1st Day is the 16th Day, Feast of First Fruits.
I’ve also been taught in the scriptures that His months aren’t determined by the Catholic calendar, and His days aren’t determined by the Catholic calendar.
YOU believe otherwise.
I have yet to find YOUR Sunday,Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,Friday or Sunday in Scripture..
I have found New Moon Days, 6 work Days and Sabbath’s in the Scriptures.
And the pattern in the scriptures explains why Christ died on the 14th Day. And laid in the tomb on the 15th Day, and rose on the 16th Day.
And why Israel grumbled on the 15th of His 2nd month, and manna began the same day of the week Christ rose.
And why Israel made it to a 3rd 15th Day in Exodus 19.
And a few days later,they hear the Covenant Law and then have to wait 40 days for Moses to come down the Mount with those two tablets of the Covenant.
That’s the blessing with understanding how the Father tells time.
With His Son..
Those who don’t have the Son, don’t have the Father.
I mentioned in Exodus that the 15th Day of the 1st month is part of the sign/seal that Israel is to have on their hand and between their eyes.
The same exact place the Beast offers Catholic Friday,Saturday and Sunday substitutes.
That’s not a ME problem.
That’s a THEM problem.
It’s in the Scriptures. They probably ignore that for Talmud.
It’s also a central part of the First/Importance of the gospel Paul taught the Gentiles.
The Church probably ignores that for Catholic Friday,Saturday and Sunday.
Again, that’s not a ME problem.
That’s a THEM problem.
It helps to follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
Christ was born on appointment Israel misses.
Christ was circumcised on the 1st weekly Sabbath. Israel has chosen Catholic Saturday instead.
Christ laid in the tomb on the 2nd weekly Sabbath. Israel has chosen to postpone that Sabbath if it conflicts with their Catholic Saturday.
Christ proclaimed that any that thirst come to Him in the 3rd weekly Sabbath. Israel has chosen to postpone that Sabbath if it conflicts with their Catholic Saturday.
Christ delivered the Holy Spirit on the 4th weekly Sabbath . Israel has chosen to not count 50 days after the 7th Sabbath because they ignore the Day of the New Moon Days, and stop at 50,instead of another 50 days after the 7th Sabbath.
(The same day, btw, Moses came down in Exodus after they had spent over 100 days in the wilderness after their deliverance out of Egypt)
Those who don’t have the Son won’t have the Father.
They won’t have His New Moon Days,His 6 work days,His 7th Day Sabbath’s nor the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us.
Christ is the reason He separates His New Moon Day fromHis 6 work days and Sabbath.
Christ is the reason Israelites were called to circumcise their boys on the 8th Day.
Christ is the reason Israelites were to keep the 15th Day as an annual Sabbath forever.
Christ is the reason Israelites were to keep the 22nd Day annual Sabbath forever.
Everything Israel was taught at Sinai points to Christ
Just Not the Christ born on Catholic December 25.
Not the Christ circumcised on Catholic January 1.
Not the Christ presented in the temple on Catholic February 2.
Not the Christ of Catholic Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Physical Israel was to keep the day of their deliverance out of bondage as a sign where the Beast places its mark.
Today, they have postponement rules if His Sabbath conflicts with their Sabbath that the Beast gives them.
How cute..
Catholic Saturday wasn’t handed down at Sinai..
Someday they’ll find that out..
Same with Friday and Sunday.
Someday they’ll find that out too..
Another one who has false-security.
I saw an evangelic caucus thread today about Satan.
Why do y’all even care about Satan, since you’re already saved ; and once saved, always saved?
Satan can’t touch you, right?
Wrong.
Satan can try, like he did with Job.
The security of the believer is a real thing since the entire record of the believer’s sin debt to God has been abolished. There is no sin left for God to hold against the person.
And Satan does not have the power to take anyone’s salvation from them, even if he is given latitude to attack the person.
Wrong.
Satan can try, like he did with Job.
The security of the believer is a real thing since the entire record of the believer’s sin debt to God has been abolished. There is no sin left for God to hold against the person.
And Satan does not have the power to take anyone’s salvation from them, even if he is given latitude to attack the person.
So according to you, all deceased prots are in Heaven, right?
SA: Only One was resurrected. That Resurrection is what we celebrate--not the crucifixion.
At the end of His Passion, Jesus cried *It is finished* and gave up the ghost.
He was then taken down and buried and rose again.
1 Corinthians 15:14-23 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
And Christ is not eternally hanging on the cross, perpetually dying. He rose and is now seated at the right hand of the Father.
He doesn't belong on the cross and keeping Him there denies His death and resurrection and the work of redemption that He said was finished. Keeping Him on the cross says that His atonement is not finished.
Also, suffering does not cleanse from sin and Jesus's suffering is not redemptive. His death/finished work, past tense, is and the proof of that is the resurrection.
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