Vatican To Publish New Document On Marian Apparitions Next Week

One News Page ^ | 5/6/24 | Courtney Mares

[Roman_War_Criminal]

The Vatican’s doctrine office will publish a new document next week on discerning Marian apparitions and other supernatural events.

The Holy See Press Office announced on Tuesday that Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, the prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF), will unveil new norms for discernment regarding “apparitions and other supernatural phenomena” on Friday, May 17.

In an interview with the National Catholic Register, CNA’s sister news partner, last month, Fernandez said that the document will provide “clear guidelines and norms” for discernment.

The new norms will be the first time that the Vatican’s doctrinal office has issued a general document on apparitions in four decades. Pope Paul VI approved norms on “the discernment of presumed apparitions or revelations” in 1978.

[ealgeone]

In other words he made it up while rejecting the clear teaching that all have sinned.

2 Corinthians 5:21 clearly excludes Christ. As does Hebrews 7:26.

[kinsman redeemer]

Emphasis added to help direct you to key words

My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant. Luke 1:46-48

For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. Romans 3:22-25

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8–10)

(Is this true? If you claim that Mary is without sin then you are saying God is a liar.)

You write this:
Scripture certainly doesn’t have a passage stating “Mary was conceived with original sin”.

But God's Word DOES say that "all have sinned" and Mary, blessed as she is, is included in that crowd.

Using your logic, you would need to find a "passage" that demonstrates that Mary was sinless. You can't do that - Luke 1:42 doesn't meet your need. Neither would any attempt to say that she was "full of grace" (Luke 1:28) and therefore sinless. That's a fail, too - unless Stephen was also sinless by the same description (Acts 6:8).

Finally, I won't be replying to you (unless you change your POV) because I've been in this rodeo a long time and even though the clowns are new - the act is the same.

[ealgeone]

Some people confuse “long time” with always. Many Catholics do not communicate with absolute precision.

Except in this case....one among several.

On the Immaculate Conception.:

And indeed, illustrious documents of venerable antiquity, of both the Eastern and the Western Church, very forcibly testify that this doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of the most Blessed Virgin, which was daily more and more splendidly explained, stated and confirmed by the highest authority, teaching, zeal, knowledge, and wisdom of the Church, and which was disseminated among all peoples and nations of the Catholic world in a marvelous manner ...this doctrine always existed in the Church as a doctrine that has been received from our ancestors.

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9ineff.htm

Which is a blatant falsehood as it has not always existed in the ekklesia. Now, maybe Rome is splitting hairs on the definition of "church".

[ealgeone]

So why’d you blank out ealgeone’s name in your response to his post 347 and post it to nobody?

As has been established over the years, ebb cannot handle public debate. He/she is better off in the echo chamber of the caucus threads where he/she can debate him/herself....hence OMCET.

[ealgeone]

Suffice it to say that the general consensus is that it is extremely rare. Moreover, if in doubt about a particular situation, one is not obliged to presume that infallibility has been exercised.

Given this rareness, the more interesting question is how to deal with likely non-infallible statements of the Pope-—but that is not what you asked about, and so I will proceed to actually answering your question.

I again appreciate your reasoned reply, but this leads me to another question.

IF the pope has spoken ex-cathedra on at least two confirmed cases....then exactly what else does he do?

It seems some RCs want to discard comments of the current pope, and prior popes, with whom they disagree for whatever reason(s).

I'm asking do the bulls and other communiques from the pope have authority and must they be adhered to by Roman Catholics?

[kinsman redeemer]

I’ve observed the same.

[ebb tide]

As has been established ...

How many times have we seen that poster preface his falsehoods with that phrase?

"As has been established" by no one but him to justify his own bigoted animosity towards Catholicism or anyone who defends it.

Personal attacks are his forte.

It has been quite amusing to see how y'all are so concerned about with whom, and when, I choose to communicate with the attackers (non-catholics and catholics) of Holy Mother Church.

But that is my decision, not any of yours.

[Elsie]

Duns Scotus solution was that original sin would have naturally extended to Our Lady as well had not the grace of Christ sanctified her at the instant of Her conception, thus saving her in a particularly powerful way, and making Him her savior in a more fundamental way than anyone else.

I wonder just how much thin air it took to create THIS claim?

[Elsie]

...that the man of God may be complete, ...

[Elsie]

In a similar vein...

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Sinless Mary??

 Not according to Rome's Book;    

 

That's the way it is WRITTEN:  1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

 

THIS is the way it is TAUGHT:  1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us; the only exception being Mary, Mother of GOD, of course.

 

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Rome has published facts, in it's book,  that have turned IT's 'Mary' into a HYPOCRITE, by painting her as SINLESS, yet writing of her going into the temple to make a SIN offering.

 

 

Luke 2:22-24

When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord  (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”),  and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”

 

The LAW! 

 

Leviticus 12:7-8

Then he shall offer it before the LORD and make atonement for her, and she shall be cleansed from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, whether a male or a female.
'But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.'"

 

 

[Elsie]

Well played, Lord Farquaad!

[Philsworld]

——>THIS is the way it is TAUGHT: 1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us; the only exception being Mary, Mother of GOD, of course.

...and OSAS/OJAJ (the OSAS also stands for Once Sealed, Always Sealed...I learned that recently).

[Elsie]

Let the dueling bible verses begin yet again!

 

[12] I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

[13] I write unto you, fathers, because you have known him, who is from the beginning.

       I write unto you, young men, because you have  overcome the wicked one.

[14] I write unto you, babes, because you have known the Father.

       I write unto you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and you have overcome the wicked one.

 

 

1 John 2:12-14 d-r

[Elsie]

It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment.

It's all Work and Obey, until Jesus tells you that His yoke was easy and His burden was light.

[Philsworld]

I suppose if I believed in OSAS/OJAJ, I wouldn’t want to hear about these texts either, because they show that God demands obedience from those who claim His name, say they know Him, say they follow Him, claim to be His saints. Nicolaitans are going to do what Nicolaitans do.

1 John 2:4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Eccl 12:13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Matthew 7:21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Revelation 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

[Philsworld]

——>It’s all Work and Obey, until Jesus tells you that His yoke was EASY and His burden was light.

Just believing sounds pretty EASY. Maybe Peter got it wrong about the righteous SCARCELY being saved? How could that be when all they have to do is BELIEVE?

1 Peter 4:17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. (KJV)

[Philsworld]

Yeah, I can see why the Nicolaitans loved OSAS. All the sex they wanted (outside of marriage) and still going to heaven. The Spirit can’t sin, so no problem. Maybe their motto about microsecond of grace was “EASY peasy, now get some sleazy?”

Those Nicolaitans sure are funny.

[Elsie]

1 John 2:4 If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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Galatians 3:21

ESV

 

Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.

 

 

By the law, we learn that we are not able to keep to God's standard and must be saved in another way.

That other way is through faith in Christ.

Once He arrived, this salvation was available to all people, including non-Jewish Gentiles.

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Ain't this fun!!

(Cue dueling banjos)

[Elsie]

...them that obey not the gospel of God...

HMMMmmm...

Just what IS the gospel of GOD?

What IS this Good News that I hear bandied about??

[Elsie]

If you say so.