And yet, we STILL have this, written by Moses, also the author of the first 5 books of the Old Testament.
Genesis 26:5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
My charge, My commandments, My statutes, My laws. Different than what he expected from Israel? Nope, because God doesn’t change.
What does it mean to walk with God?
Elsie, your argument sounds like “the Sabbath isn’t commanded in the New Testament, so lets chisel it out of the granite tablets preincarnate Christ wrote it on. Yep, no obligation to keep that commandment, or any for that matter. They were given to God’s chosen, Israel. What God expected from them is different than what He expects from us. His commandments are optional.”
OSAS/OJAJ folks just don’t want to own up to God’s law applying to them. They just stick their head in the sand and say they can’t figure it out for themselves. Too complicated. Not clear enough for them. Nope, God’s law doesn’t apply to them. Not now, not ever. God’s law is for the UNSAVED. LOL Elsie, can you believe someone would say that?
Was one of the commandments Abraham obeyed “Have no other God’s before Me?”
Noooooooooooo, we can’t be SUPPOSIN’ that.
How about any of the other ones given to Israel, who hadn’t known God for over 400 years while captive in Egypt?
Noooooooooooo, we can’t be SUPPOSIN’ that either.
Yep, good job Elsie.
Nice try to veer away from the FACT that homosexuality is called a sin in the bible that contains laws you follow religiously, yet the SIN of homosexuality is NOT mentioned before it is called out as being such.
Ah, no. Job was the first book, although Moses wrote of the history of Creation in Genesis as directed by God. There were also other writings earlier than that of Moses which are referred to in our Bible canonical writings, but now non-existent, not preserved by God as Holy Scripture for us.
However, one of Job's acquaintances, Eliphaz, was a son of Esau, and the father of Teman, which puts Job's writing of his own experiences about three or four centuries before Moses' writings.
Just a minor point of correction to your narrative, philsworld.
(Sorry, this is an earlier observation, but remaining unsent until this moment, I believe.)
This is another "no," philsworld. Apparently you just can't be convinced that God/Jesus does all the saving, not that to be saved, a human born under God's condemnation must first be judicially pronounced "Not Guilty>" a pardon issued by the Mighty All-Poerful Judge based on the created human's total confidence alone that Jesus' propitiation in His Blood for all of one's sins completely satisfied all of God's righteous demands against that person, with nothing more to be paid, ever.
How can a Spirit-born human that hears the Spirit's voice through the Holy Scriptures be fully confident that the imputed Righteousness of His Son has been permanently conferred upon him or her?
Simply relying on God's Written Word affirms that covenant unarguably. From the canonical book that fully establishes the OSAS position:
Romans 6:3-4,14,21-22 (AV):If this gracious gift of standing deep in the Righteousness of His Son Jesus, which covers ALL of God's Blood-redeemed Spirit-born human progeny, whether or not their subsequent actions please Him, whether or not He cahstens or rewards, their positionis that they possess everlasting life, never to be rescinded.
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. . . .
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. . . .
21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Now, if it were interrupted in any way, or withdrawn, it would not be everlasting, would it, philsworld? And God would be a lying con-artist, like Satan.
To NOT believe in this would NOT be fully persuaded that God fulfills every promise He has made, eh? and without that entire, unreserved, uncompromising, ever-abiding persuasion, God The Father cannot and will not undertake the gracious gift of your salvation, will He? This is all apart from the law matters, for neither you nor I relying on the performance of the "old man" can ever satisfy the Father.
And that is, philsworld, if you haven't experienced OSAS living, you not only haven't it, nor have you the spiritual faculty to even discuss it, or so the scripture says through Paul in 1 Cor 2:11-15.
With the mind-set you have shown, you have not humility enough to know that you cannot ever earn salvation, but remain under the sentence of sin's terminal outcome.
Only a change of mind can save you, which is what the Greek term "repentance" means. Job. in the earliest book of the Bible, said it well, and was saved:
Job 42:1-7 (AV):Job turned unto God in utter, complete repentance, knowing that he had in himself no righteousness like that of God.
1Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
2I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
32Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
4Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
7And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
You speak and counsel like Eliphaz, philsworld, who urged that Job could be righteous enough to please.
This is a warning, that so far, you do have yet another chance as it did for me, but that opportunity can run out, never to be given again.