Posted on 03/19/2024 5:45:28 PM PDT by grumpa
Summary. The Israel of God is no longer fleshly, natural Israel, but rather all believers in Jesus―along with a remnant of Godly believers of old. Jesus fulfilled all of the promises to Old Covenant Israel (Luke 1:67-79; 2 Corinthians 1:20). “Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Romans 9:5-8). The church extends beyond natural Israel to include Gentiles (Luke 2:32; Acts 9:15; 11:1, 18; Romans 11:11-32; Galatians 3:6-9, 25-29). This is not “replacement theology, but rather “inclusion theology.” Here is a sampling of passages about this:
Galatians 6:14-16. In the context of the rest of Galatians, Paul refers to the “ISRAEL OF GOD” as those who walk according to the Spirit—by faith in Jesus Christ (and specifically not by works of the Jewish Old Covenant Law, including circumcision).
Galatians 4:21-31. Physical Jerusalem, that is, the old covenant, is cast out making way for the New Spiritual Jerusalem (“the Jerusalem above”)—the new children of the promise.
Hebrews 12:22-24. Christians of the first century had already arrived at the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem—through Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant.
Matthew 3:7-11. John the Baptist tells the Pharisees and Sadducees not to count on their physical descent. Indeed, they are about to be cut down in the wrath about to come (AD 70).
Matthew 21:18-19. Jesus curses the fig tree, an Old Testament symbol for Old Covenant Israel (Jeremiah 24; Hosea 9:10; Luke 13:6-9), and the fig tree withered away forever.
Matthew 21:33-45. Parable of the Tenants. Jesus tells the Jews that the kingdom is being taken away from them and given to another group, obviously the church.
Matthew 22:1-4. The Parable of the Wedding Feast. It was obviously the Jews who were invited to the wedding, but their refusal to accept Christ as Messiah would lead to their demise—“destroyed those murderers and burned their city.” (Matthew 23, the next chapter, details why the Jews were the object of Jesus’ wrath. Not only were they exceedingly sinful, but also refused to accept Him as Savior.)
John 1:12-13. The children of God are believers, and not by blood.
John 8:31-47. Jesus explains to the Jews of his day that they are not truly offspring of Abraham, but rather are offspring of the devil.
Romans 2:28-29. “For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not the letter.”
Romans 9:5-8. Paul taught that not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel (“FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHO ARE ISRAEL”), and not all are children of Abraham. It is not the children of the flesh (i.e. their ethnicity) who are children of God (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:16.)
Romans 11:5, 11-32. Branches (of Israel) were broken off and Gentiles grafted in by faith. Whoever accepted Christ, both Gentiles and a remnant of Jews are saved (11:5).
Galatians 3:6-9, 25-29. Heirs to the promise, i.e. the true sons of Abraham, comes from faith in Christ, not physical descent.
Ephesians 2:11-3:13. Gentiles are no longer aliens but are fellow citizens in a new dwelling place, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets (cf. Revelation 21:14).
Ephesians 2:15-16. Jews and Gentiles became “one new man in place of two,” thus “one body.”
Philippians 3:3. The church is the real “circumcision.” Circumcision is the special sign of God’s covenant with Abraham and Israel (Genesis 17:10, 13), so the Christian church has become God’s covenantal people.
Colossians 2:6-3:17. Paul explains in this passage that physical circumcision had been replaced by spiritual circumcision, thus spiritual Israel—believers being made spiritually alive IN CHRIST. (See also Philippians 3:3).
Hebrews 8:5-13. The Old Covenant was being replaced by a New Covenant as predicted in the Old Testament (Jeremiah 31:31-34; etc.)
James 1:1; 2:1. The twelve tribes of Israel had become believers in Christ.
1 Peter 2:4-10. The new chosen race is the Christian church (building motif).
Revelation 2:9; 3:9. There are those who say they are Jews, but are really are a “synagogue of Satan.”
Revelation 19:7, 21:2, 9-27. The New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, the church—which is built on the foundation of the apostles (ref. Ephesians 2:20).
Conclusions. This is about the changing of the covenants. Israel’s covenant with God was contingent on obedience (Deuteronomy 28-32)! Throughout the Bible, Israel’s relationship with God is portrayed as a marriage (Isaiah 54:5; 62:4; Jeremiah 2:2; 3:14, 20; 31:31-34; Ezekiel 16:8, 32, 38; Hosea 2:2, 7, 16; Malachi 2:14). Whenever Israel was unfaithful, she is characterized as a harlot or adulterer (Deuteronomy 31:16-18; Isaiah 1:21; Jeremiah 2:20; 3:6-9; Ezekiel 6:8-9; 16:15, 26, 28; Hosea 1:2; 6:10; 9:1). The central theme of Revelation is a story of two women—the harlot Babylon who is judged/divorced (Revelation 17:1, 5, 15; 18:9, 21; 19:2) and God’s new bride the New Jerusalem (Revelation 19:7; 21:2, 9). The faithless harlot is apostate Old Covenant Israel. The new bride is the Christian church, the wife of the Lamb, the New Jerusalem (Revelation 3:12; 19:7; 21:2, 9-27). Compare to the Parable of the Wedding Feast in Matthew 22:1-14, as well as such passages as John 3:29; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:25-27.
The notion that Israel is separate from the church, and that Israel will re-emerge as pre-eminent among nations is not supported by the texts.
That seems to be the bible's teaching based on Hebrews 10:26 -
For if we sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins... ASV
- but seems to go against the bible's teaching in other places...
Galatians 6:1 ESV
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.
Remember the audience to which each book was addressed.
(Did GOD really say...?)
You seem to know just what the OSAS/OJAJ crowd 'believes', but manage to LEAVE OUT the biggy that they DO believe...
THIS, my FRiend, will keep a person out of Heaven.
Hebrews 3:12 King James Bible
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Sorry, but YOU are the one who seems to possess this SECRET knowledge.
Perhaps you can SHOW us here on FR just WHERE Joseph alledgedly LEARNED these things.
What secret? And, there was nothing alleged about it. Joseph straight up knew that adultery was WICKED and a SIN AGAINST GOD. There’s only one way he would have known that.
My commandments, My statutes, My laws....
Microsecond of Grace OSAS/OJAJ will still deny that God’s laws apply to them.
Revelation 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
——>Remember the audience to which each book was addressed.
Both audiences were Christian converts. The message in Hebrews 10:26-31 applies to ALL Christians.
(Microsecond of Grace OSAS/OJAJ will still deny that God’s laws apply to them, because they’re from a different audience.)
UNBELIEF!!
THIS, my FRiend, will keep a person out of Heaven.
So will this (FRiend):
Hebrews 10:
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
——>You seem to know just what the OSAS/OJAJ crowd ‘believes
Sure, after years of debate.
Took you that long to squeeze the facts outta them?
I’ve had dealings with Elsie before. Just tell her before writing, there was oral tradition. Godly people knew what to do because they were told what and how to do things.
Ah, no. Job was the first book, although Moses wrote of the history of Creation in Genesis as directed by God. There were also other writings earlier than that of Moses which are referred to in our Bible canonical writings, but now non-existent, not preserved by God as Holy Scripture for us.
However, one of Job's acquaintances, Eliphaz, was a son of Esau, and the father of Teman, which puts Job's writing of his own experiences about three or four centuries before Moses' writings.
Just a minor point of correction to your narrative, philsworld.
(Sorry, this is an earlier observation, but remaining unsent until this moment, I believe.)
This is another "no," philsworld. Apparently you just can't be convinced that God/Jesus does all the saving, not that to be saved, a human born under God's condemnation must first be judicially pronounced "Not Guilty>" a pardon issued by the Mighty All-Poerful Judge based on the created human's total confidence alone that Jesus' propitiation in His Blood for all of one's sins completely satisfied all of God's righteous demands against that person, with nothing more to be paid, ever.
How can a Spirit-born human that hears the Spirit's voice through the Holy Scriptures be fully confident that the imputed Righteousness of His Son has been permanently conferred upon him or her?
Simply relying on God's Written Word affirms that covenant unarguably. From the canonical book that fully establishes the OSAS position:
Romans 6:3-4,14,21-22 (AV):If this gracious gift of standing deep in the Righteousness of His Son Jesus, which covers ALL of God's Blood-redeemed Spirit-born human progeny, whether or not their subsequent actions please Him, whether or not He cahstens or rewards, their positionis that they possess everlasting life, never to be rescinded.
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. . . .
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. . . .
21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Now, if it were interrupted in any way, or withdrawn, it would not be everlasting, would it, philsworld? And God would be a lying con-artist, like Satan.
To NOT believe in this would NOT be fully persuaded that God fulfills every promise He has made, eh? and without that entire, unreserved, uncompromising, ever-abiding persuasion, God The Father cannot and will not undertake the gracious gift of your salvation, will He? This is all apart from the law matters, for neither you nor I relying on the performance of the "old man" can ever satisfy the Father.
And that is, philsworld, if you haven't experienced OSAS living, you not only haven't it, nor have you the spiritual faculty to even discuss it, or so the scripture says through Paul in 1 Cor 2:11-15.
With the mind-set you have shown, you have not humility enough to know that you cannot ever earn salvation, but remain under the sentence of sin's terminal outcome.
Only a change of mind can save you, which is what the Greek term "repentance" means. Job. in the earliest book of the Bible, said it well, and was saved:
Job 42:1-7 (AV):Job turned unto God in utter, complete repentance, knowing that he had in himself no righteousness like that of God.
1Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
2I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
32Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
4Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
7And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
You speak and counsel like Eliphaz, philsworld, who urged that Job could be righteous enough to please.
This is a warning, that so far, you do have yet another chance as it did for me, but that opportunity can run out, never to be given again.
"But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness" (Rom 6:17-18 AV).Reading further, all these have everlasting eternal life, and communion with God through the Spirit which infuses into the born-anew saint, and suffuses through God and all His children. Can they lead a sinful lifestyle?
"Whosoeversingular a humanThe answer is "no," that cannot happen for the one begotten of God's Spirit.
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(1 John 3:9).
Just like the seven churches in Asia that John wrote about in the end of the bible?
That has worked out well...
——>Can they lead a sinful lifestyle?
Ask Ravi. Oops, he’s dead.
Hey Elsie, when you open your bible and look at the first 5 books (the Torah), do you see the book of Job?
==================Thank you for your patience of my poor pre-post copy editing.Whosoeversingular a human
isstands bornperfect tense, done once and completed
of God doth not present tense, habitually as a way of lifecommit sin; for
hisGod's seedsperma, regenerative saving Word of God
remainethpresent tense, perpetually abides
in himthe human:
and hethe human cannot
present tense, constantly commit sin, because
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(1 John 3:9).================
1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.This is a clear test of who is born of the Spirit and whose stance is questionable.
There are some through their ignorance who like to harp on Ravi Zacharias, hoping that will bolster one’s argument for legalism as a measure of spirituality.
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