[ducttape45]

For those who are unfamiliar with the above Dispensationalist (earthly millennium, rapture-at-any-moment) interpretation of Scripture regarding the End Times presented here: the majority of Christians today (and who have ever lived, for that matter) do not ascribe to it. It was not developed until the early 19th century. It originated in England but is mostly held by many (not all) American evangelicals.

Here we go again. I won't get into a long drawn out debate or try and list references to back what I'm about to say because it's an argued ad nauseam here on FR, but teachings about the Rapture have been in existence for many hundreds of years and is NOT a recent teaching only brought up in the 19th century. This kind of talk only discourages the saints.

[fidelis]

Here we go again. I won't get into a long drawn out debate or try and list references to back what I'm about to say because it's an argued ad nauseam here on FR, but teachings about the Rapture have been in existence for many hundreds of years and is NOT a recent teaching only brought up in the 19th century. This kind of talk only discourages the saints.

I'm not interested in a debate either. Just pointing out that not all Christians do not hold this interpretation of the Bible. If you are sure in your position, this should be no threat to you. And I am only pointing out the fact that, before the 1820's no Christians held anything like the Rapturist view as is widely held by modern Dispensationalists. Some (primarily before AD 1000 or so had millenarian views before it became obvious that Christ was not coming on an earthly timetable devised by men) and all believed in a rapture of living believers at the Second Coming at the end of time, but NONE believed in the cobbled together, novel view of the End Times as is usually articulated today.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

For those who want to know the TRUE HISTORY of the PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE as documented by Dr. Thomas Ice:

https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1003&context=pretrib_arch

I post this so people can refute the lies that come from non-Biblical believing people who clearly want to confuse others.

Maranatha!

[Cronos]

Ducttape45 - there has been no talk of the pre-tribulation rapture before Darby in the 1830s

Neither Irenaeus nor Hippolytus spoke of a pre-tribulation rapture. Neither did Tertullian, nor even Luther, Calvin etc.

On the contrary the earliest Christians wrote of the 70th week of Daniel ending with Christ’s FIRST advent. This was when the “spiritual temple” was established. Barnabas in the “Epistle of Barnabas”, written in 100 AD wrote about the 70th week having already been completed.

So, just 70 years after the Passion it was the widespread belief of Christians that the 70th week of Daniel was completed.

Teachings of the pre-tribulation rapture do not predate Darby in 1830 and I challenge you, ducttape45, to find ANY statement about the pre-tribulation rapture before 1830