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To: freepertoo

I suppose you have read the Bible more than Martin luther, Charles wesley, calvin, CS Lewis, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Karl Barth and Huldrych Zwingli.

Jesus was very big in the Bible on saying that Israel was to be utterly destroyed, which it was in the siege of jerusalem. It is now a secular pro LGBT country and some Christians think giving financial aid to a secular pro lgbt, pro abortion country supersedes the teachings of Jesus christ. Not once did Jesus mention this.


3 posted on 12/31/2023 11:38:24 AM PST by MNDude
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To: MNDude
Jesus was very big in the Bible on saying that Israel was to be utterly destroyed, which it was in the siege of jerusalem. It is now a secular pro LGBT country and some Christians think giving financial aid to a secular pro lgbt, pro abortion country supersedes the teachings of Jesus christ. Not once did Jesus mention this.

Yes, this. The promises made by Yahweh/God to Israel were completely fulfilled in the coming of Jesus, his death, and resurrection. Mosaic Judaism itself was culminated in the finished work of Christ on the cross. Any Jew today who seeks "Torah righteousness" can indeed achieve it, but only by embracing Christ as his or her savior.

Beyond this, the modern nation state of Israel is of no eschatological significance, the silly ravings of the Darbyites notwithstanding.

6 posted on 12/31/2023 11:55:00 AM PST by DSH
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To: MNDude

Israel has been a mostly apostate state its entire existence. HOWEVER, God promised that all who bless Israel will be blessed and all who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3
I pray our nation’s actions don’t ignore this promise.


7 posted on 12/31/2023 11:55:51 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I'm a nationalist. I'm white. How does that make me racist?)
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To: MNDude

Ah, we’re going to have a disagreement. I won’t go further into my reasons for believing what I do, since you seem to be ready to argue rather than reason.


8 posted on 12/31/2023 12:08:07 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: MNDude

There’s a difference between Jerusalem and the Jewish people.

Yes, the temple was utterly destroyed, but the Jews were scattered and now have begun to return to their homeland as prophesied in Scripture.

The end of Jerusalem does not, nor did not mean, by default, the end of the nation of Israel nor the Jewish people.


10 posted on 12/31/2023 12:52:17 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: MNDude
Jesus was very big in the Bible on saying that Israel was to be utterly destroyed, which it was in the siege of jerusalem. It is now a secular pro LGBT country and some Christians think giving financial aid to a secular pro lgbt, pro abortion country supersedes the teachings of Jesus christ. Not once did Jesus mention this.

I could suppose you not have read the Bible more than some select verses. For Scripture makes it very substantially manifest that there is a future for Jews. Romans 11 (see ISRAEL: CHOSEN OR FORGOTTEN?) and relevant texts makes it clear that the natural branches, while lost, are "beloved for the Father's sake," and we are to look forward to the day when the fulness of the Gentiles shall have entered into the kingdom of God, and the curse of overall judicial blindness on Jews will be removed, and all (the remnant that remains) will look upon the Lord whom they have pierced (Zechariah 12:10) be saved, and be part of the 1,000 reign of Christ. Regardless of the rejection of this by Catholicism and Preterists.

11 posted on 12/31/2023 12:54:41 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: MNDude

Right...
Israel right now is in unbelief.

That doesn’t mean God is through with them.

Genesis 12:3 and the entire books of Zechariah and Daniel talk about a redeemed Israel coming back to God and accepting the One they pierced.

Martin Luther was a nasty antisemite in the end too - bad example!


15 posted on 12/31/2023 1:43:07 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: MNDude

The Word Of God says I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee, and in theeshall all families of the earth be blessed. (Gen. 12-3). That is an unconditional statement without timeline. Instead of following man I’ll stick with the Word.


16 posted on 12/31/2023 1:47:55 PM PST by 2Dreamin
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To: MNDude

You obviously have no idea what scripture says


20 posted on 12/31/2023 2:03:50 PM PST by Dartoid
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To: MNDude

Thomas Jefferson wrote John Adams, “I can never join Calvin in addressing his God. He was indeed an athiest, which I can never be; or rather his religion was demonism. If ever man worshipped a false God he did.”


21 posted on 12/31/2023 2:04:28 PM PST by LeoTDB69
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To: MNDude

Yes, YESHUA will deal very severely with Israels sins, but only he can do it, he does not look kindly on those who try tp do it themselves.


26 posted on 12/31/2023 2:39:17 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: MNDude

I agree with you.


39 posted on 12/31/2023 6:10:29 PM PST by dforest
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To: MNDude
Jesus was very big in the Bible on saying that Israel was to be utterly destroyed

No; lack of understanding;

    There is a reason the Messiah said:
  1. "So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."
  2. "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."
  3. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."


Jeremiah 31:
  1. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
  2. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
  3. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
  4. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
  5. Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
  6. If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
  7. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

42 posted on 12/31/2023 7:23:23 PM PST by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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