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73% Of US Christians Say The Bible Doesn’t Influence Their Views On Israel: Poll
Harbingers Daily ^ | 12/30/23 | Staff

Posted on 12/31/2023 11:12:40 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

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To: Philsworld
Matthew 21:43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The authority would be taken from the Jews with that authority (The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat") given to the Jewish Apostles instead The nation of Israel continued.

Matthew 16

[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
[19] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


And in Matthew 19 we see this authority over the nation of Israel:

[27] Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
[28] And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


He also said this after Matthew 21:43 in
Matthew 23:
  1. Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
  2. Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
  3. All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.


The leader of the Apostles (Apostle to the Circumcision) ratified this in his first epistle explicity identifying the Jews of the Diaspora as

1 Peter 1:
    [1] Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Original Word: διασπορά, ᾶς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: diaspora
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-as-por-ah')
Definition: a dispersion (Israelites in Gentile countries)

1 Peter 2:9: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
61 posted on 01/06/2024 5:37:53 PM PST by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

The leader of the Apostles (Apostle to the Circumcision) ratified this in his first epistle explicity identifying the Jews of the Diaspora as

1 Peter 1:
[1] Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,


They were Jewish CHRISTIANS, one in Christ Jesus. The end for the Jewish Nation of Israel (not the INDIVIDUAL people) was at the stoning of Stephen. 490 years EXACTLY as prophesied by Daniel.

Historical Setting. The apostle writes what might be termed a circular letter addressed to “strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.” These five areas included almost the whole of what is now called Asia Minor. The majority of the believers of these churches were Gentiles. Jewish Christians were in the minority. As their appointed missionary (Gal. 2:9), Peter was especially interested in the Jews, but he was not restricting his greetings and instruction to the minority group in these churches, as is indicated by his referring to his readers as formerly not of the people of God, and as converted idolaters (1 Peter 2:10; 4:3, 4). The apostle, who was the first to baptize Gentiles and to assert their equal status in the church, would no doubt regard all Christians, of both Jewish and Gentile origin, as one in Christ Jesus, without distinction in addressing them. SDA Bible Commentary


62 posted on 01/06/2024 7:51:19 PM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Philsworld
The end for the Jewish Nation of Israel ...

Jeremiah 31:
[35] Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
[36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.


Still there, Israel is still a nation before the LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Jezebel was a Gentile.
63 posted on 01/07/2024 3:33:51 AM PST by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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——>Still there, Israel is still a nation before the LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Unfortunately for them, they are not OF CHRIST. You still continue to deny that God gave them one final chance to repent, as a nation (Daniel 9). They doubled down in unbelief. The kingdom was taken from them, as clearly stated by Jesus Christ.

Try to understand this: Israel is not ISRAEL, according to the bible, according to God. Israel is not OF CHRIST. It is now ONLY about the people, who may be grafted back in, after being cut off (Romans 11).


64 posted on 01/07/2024 8:21:24 AM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Philsworld
Unfortunately for them, they are not OF CHRIST. You still continue to deny that God gave them one final chance to repent, as a nation (Daniel 9). They doubled down in unbelief. The kingdom was taken from them, as clearly stated by Jesus Christ.

As clearly written, the kingdom was taken from the chief priests and Pharisees, who sat in Moses' seat, and given to the Jewish apostles who followed Jesus. Israel is Israel, according to the scriptures. I have searched the scriptures. There are only two Gentile prophets/prophetesses: Balaam and Jezebel.

Romans 9:1-5
  1. I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
  2. That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
  3. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
  4. Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
  5. Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.


Romans 11:1-29
  1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
  2. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
  3. Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
  4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
  5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
  6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
  7. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
  8. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
  9. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
  10. Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
  11. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
  12. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
  13. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
  14. If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
  15. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
  16. For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
  17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
  18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
  19. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
  20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
  21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
  22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
  23. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
  24. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
  25. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
  26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
  27. For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
  28. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
  29. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


Isaiah 59:16-21
  1. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
  2. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
  3. According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
  4. So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
  5. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
  6. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

65 posted on 01/07/2024 10:21:03 AM PST by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

I guess we just see it differently. I wish you the best.


66 posted on 01/07/2024 12:26:38 PM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: af_vet_1981
I guess I should comment on your biggest error, where it all begins, why Dispensationalism cannot be right...(and make sure to see my next post too).

Daniel 9:24Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. (Ends at the stoning of Stephen and the conversion of Saul)

Notice that it doesn't say for the chief priests and Pharisees. Dispensationalism is dead wrong in their interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27. History proves it. Daniel 9:27 STARTS at a specific date and ENDS at a specific date (just like the 1260 years STARTS at a specific date and ENDS at a specific date. Jumping 2000+ years into the future is something the Jesuits thought up during the Counter Reformation (proven, documented history).

Dan 9:24

This verse sets the goals of the 70 week prophecy of Daniel.

(A) "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,"

- This sets the time period at 70 weeks. It is generally accepted here that you must use the day = year prophecy formula (Num 14:34, Ezek 4:6), yielding a time period of 490 years from start to completion.

- The word determined here actually means "cut off". This 70 weeks are cut off from, or begin at the same time as, the larger 2300 day (year) prophecy of Dan 8:14, which has as it's focus the cleansing of the sanctuary in heaven, the beginning of Judgment. So both the 70 week (490 year) and the 2300 day (year) prophecy begin at the same date. Note that you can not arbitrarily apply the year for a day principle in one case and not another, you must remain consistent. Dan 8:26 strongly hints that the 2300 day prophecy in verse 14 is not just 2300 days, but many days more than it literally indicates. This would also support using year instead of day.

(B) "to finish the transgression (rebellion),"

- Meaning to the Jews: end your transgression of (rebellion against) God's Law and return to obedience. - Alludes to the victory of Jesus Christ over transgression at the cross.

(C) "and to make an end of sins,"

- Meaning to the Jews: repent from sin. - Alludes to the victory of Jesus Christ over sin at the cross.

(D) "and to make reconciliation for iniquity,"

- Meaning to the Jews: Atonement for sins through sacrificial temple ceremonies (symbolic of Jesus). - Alludes to the reconciliation for iniquity by Jesus Christ at the cross.

(E) "and to bring in everlasting righteousness,"

- Alludes to the death of Jesus the Messiah at the cross making everlasting righteousness available to all with faith. Without His death at the cross we are all condemned to the second death. By His death on the cross, the requirement of the Law was met and His everlasting righteousness established. Psa 119:142

(F) "and to seal up the vision and prophecy,"

- To fulfill / complete the prophesies of the 70 weeks (the dates of Messiah's / Jesus' baptism and crucifixion). Because Daniel predicted these historical events of the 70 weeks with absolute accuracy, we can also trust that the 2300 day (year) prophecy is just as accurate.

(G) "and to anoint the most Holy."

- As the earthly temple was anointed in Lev 8:10-11, so the heavenly temple was anointed by Jesus as he assumed the role of our High Priest, on his return to heaven. Also, Jesus himself was anointed as the Messiah at His Baptism (Mat 3:16, Mark 1:9, Luke 3:21).

So verse 24 has set the goals of the 70 week prophecy of Daniel. The twofold focus of the prophecy: first on the Jews reconciling themselves with God within the appointed time (490 years), and second, Jesus being baptized and paying the price of sin at the cross for us and becoming our High Priest. Note that there is nothing in verse 24 referring to the millennial kingdom, or the antichrist, or a seven year tribulation and there is nothing to indicate the 490 years are anything but a continuous period of time that ended in 34 A.D.

https://www.biblelightinfo.com/dan927.htm

67 posted on 01/08/2024 4:38:12 AM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: af_vet_1981

Very important, and why I set it apart in this post: (correct interpretation)

“- The word determined here actually means “cut off”. This 70 weeks are cut off from, or begin at the same time as, the larger 2300 day (year) prophecy of Dan 8:14, which has as it’s focus the cleansing of the sanctuary in heaven, the beginning of Judgment. So both the 70 week (490 year) and the 2300 day (year) prophecy begin at the same date. Note that you can not arbitrarily apply the year for a day principle in one case and not another, you must remain consistent. Dan 8:26 strongly hints that the 2300 day prophecy in verse 14 is not just 2300 days, but many days more than it literally indicates. This would also support using year instead of day.


68 posted on 01/08/2024 4:42:56 AM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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