Posted on 11/08/2023 12:11:15 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
Yes absolutely!
The question is whether or not Mr. James (or any Protestant) holds the definitive teaching authority which he grasps at in his article. Clearly he does not; the very foundation of Protestantism denies it. By Protestant standards, Mr. James has no more (or less) authority to read, interpret, and understand Scripture than you or I.
The question is whether or not Mr. James (or any Protestant) is grasping at being the definitive teaching authority which in his article, versus presenting his case as based upon Scriptural substantiation.
In contrast to which is the premise that the judgments of the historical authoritative magisterial stewards and interpreters of Divine revelation are to be followed regardless of the former.
And do you really think that SS means that there is no magisterial office to settle disputes, or that such can claim no authority since they began in dissent from the historical authoritative magisterial stewards and interpreters of Divine revelation? I'm talking to you, metmom, not to your posse of followers.
So you also think we follow a female pope?
Answer me if you would.
This is what Catholics defend too.
The Berean Jews did not. There was no church in their city yet and they did not yet believe so there was no *church* authority to interpret for them.
Scripture is clear that those JEWS searched Scripture carefully themselves to see if those things were so.
I have no *posse* and dan and RWC are not my followers. Dan posted something relevant and RWC is then OP of the thread. Both were courtesy pinged and since they are both following the thread, I cannot be accused of calling in *my posse*. They would have seen it anyways.
As for Francis.......you’re the one bringing the (alleged) authority of the papacy into it.
Francis does have something to do with it, because he is your pope, and that is what was being discussed when you disparagingly accused the author of being his own pope and the need for an authority to *correctly interpret* Scripture for him. By invoking the title of *pope* you used that as the authority to which you were appealing.
So if the discussion is the authority and the pope is used as the standard of it, then yes, Francis is relevant.
So the questions remain unanswered.
Who should we rather trust? Pope FRANCIS???? Just look at his track record. You want HIM interpreting Scripture for you? Or anything else for that matter?
A couple more. Since you feel an authority is necessary to properly interpret Scripture, what authority do you recognize and what gives you the right to make your own determination of what a legitimate authority is?
Based on Francis’ record, his values resemble more Luciferian ideals than Christianity.
Anybody with a basic understanding of The Bible can make that assessment using logic.
These jokers want us to believe that his words have no meaning and that we should revere some old ‘traditions’ (not biblical) or some dead extra canon teachings.
Look squirrel is there response when you use Scripture to respond to them.
It’s no wonder they are losing congregants in droves.
Yes, but I said "the Jews" meaning overall, as conditional obedience was enjoined (as it is to civil powers as well) to those who sat in the seat of Moses.
Which the NT church actually began in dissent of, following an itinerant Prophet and His disciples who had no more sanction from those who sat in the seat of Moses than did John the Baptizer. Who the common people held to be a prophet indeed, and heard the Lord Jesus gladly.
Who established their Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, while not negating the teaching and magisterial office, yet not as possessing ensured perpetual magisterial veracity, but which their veracity resting upon the same weight of Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, which are credentials of true disciples (and the Lord opened the minds of the disciples to Scripture, and gave them power, and still does both overall),
And above all, that of true apostles. Glory to God.
And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders, And say unto him, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority to do these things? And Jesus answered and said unto them, I will also ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me. And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him? But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed. And they answered and said unto Jesus, We cannot tell. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Neither do I tell you by what authority I do these things. (Mark 11:27-33)
David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly. (Mark 12:37)
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. (2 Corinthians 4:2)
But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings; By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned, By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, (2 Corinthians 6:4-7)
Looks like the Ten Lost Tribes will have been found!
Is this a one, or a two way street?
INDEED!
One must show some kind of proof, found in Scripture, that shows the error.
Any more promises to come?
I’m a member of a Wesleyan congregation and have never heard it taught.
(Since 1981)
2 Peter 3:9 King James Bible
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
While...
π = 3.1416
(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)
| 1 | Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces. |
| 2. | I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary. |
| 3. | The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies |
| 4. | It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means. |
| 5. | The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish. |
| 6. | Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life. |
| 7. | Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church. |
| 8. | Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise. |
| 9. | I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary. |
| 10. | The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven. |
| 11. | You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary. |
| 12. | All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities. |
| 13. | I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death |
| 14. | All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. |
| 15. | Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination. |
"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,
no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.
There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."
Sister Lucia dos Santos
While Catholicism...
 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.' |
Now I am SURE that Mary is crying her eyes out!!!
15 'promises' from whom???
1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me
2. I promise
5. The soul which recommends itself to me
9. I shall
11. You shall obtain all you ask of me
12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me
13.I have obtained
15. Devotion of my Rosary
Versus...
Isaiah 53
Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
Surely he took up our pain 7 He was oppressed and afflicted, Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
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