Posted on 10/21/2023 1:24:54 PM PDT by ebb tide
Francis—with the help of Tucho—to rehabilitate antipope Benedict XIII
We just need to see them try to rehabilitate Satan himself. The favored one now is the antipope Benedict XIII. By the way, don't make it strange to you, Saint Hippolytus of Rome was the first antipope in history and yet he is a saint.
The Vatican requests information to rehabilitate the historical figure of Pope Luna
The prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith asks various institutions for documents on the life of Benedict XIII, a native of Illueca
The Vatican has requested documentation on Benedict XIII, known as Pope Luna, and is studying rehabilitating his legitimacy after he was named a heretic and 'antipope'. Last May 23 marked 600 years since his death and his figure is being commemorated with successive events in Aragón (he was born in Illueca in 1328) and Peñíscola (where he died in 1423 at the age of 95).
The initiative lies with the new prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, who until July was archbishop of La Plata (Argentina) and was appointed by Pope Francis, of whom he is "a very good friend" and " disciple".
"He had sent several emails since his appointment as prefect and cardinal, and he has asked me to send the documentation about Pope Luna to begin the process of recovering his figure," says Aragonese jurist José Javier Forcén, a great defender of Pope Luna (born under the name of Pedro Martínez de Luna y Pérez de Gotor). For him, the anniversary of Benedict XIII's death should be used to have his heretic convictions withdrawn and his name vindicated as legitimate.
Documentation has been requested from several institutions in Peñíscola and they want to add the work prepared by the Aragonese religious Ovidio Cuella, who studied his contribution to the Vatican.
The new person in charge of the Doctrine of the Faith replaced his predecessor on September 23, Cardinal Luis Francisco Ladaria, a native of Palma de Mallorca, who arrived last March to receive a group of Jesuits from Zaragoza who transferred him information about Papa Luna.
Letter from Pope Francis
Pope Francis recently sent a public letter to Víctor Manuel Fernández. "The Dicastery that you will preside over in other times used immoral methods," he told him in his letter, because "those were times when, rather than promoting theological knowledge, possible doctrinal errors were persecuted." "What I expect from you is undoubtedly something very different," the Pope maintains in his letter.
In addition, he mentions that he was dean of the Faculty of Theology of Buenos Aires, president of the Argentine Society of Theology and of the Faith and Culture Commission of the Argentine Episcopate, where he was voted and elected by his peers, who valued him, he adds in the writing , his "theological charisma." «As rector of the Pontifical Catholic University of Argentina you encouraged a healthy integration of knowledge. On the other hand, you were parish priest of 'Santa Teresita' and until now archbishop of La Plata, where you knew how to put theological knowledge in dialogue with the life of the holy People of God," highlights the Pope.
Cathcon: As I wrote on the previous post, but it also applies here:
"It is all very well criticising traditionalists for their concerns about Vatican II. A prerequisite for any discussion is that Catholics accept all the other Councils without reserve, otherwise synodalism is another word for hypocrisy. Then see what remains of the authority of Vatican II. But that is another discussion."
Antipope under the name of Benedict XIII, b. at Illueca, Aragon, 1328; d. at the Peñiscola, near Valencia, Spain, either 29 Nov., 1422, or 23 May, 1423. He was elected 28 Sept., 1394, deposed at the Council of Constance 26 July, 1417.
Ping
Jorge and Tucho: Two schismatics rehabilitating fellow schismatics in Frankenchurch.
Well, I don’t know about rehabilitating him, but I think it is possible to think you were properly elected Pope when you weren’t. Peter de Luna (as I always heard him called) may well have been acting in good faith. St. Vincent Ferrer backed him as well. (St. Vincent had incredible charisms, including raising people from the dead, but apparently he didn’t have the gift of discernment).
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Catholic Church getting tough!
I care nothing for Benedict XIII, but this might make it easier to rehabilitate the Templars, who seem to me a more troubling case.
One could say the same about Bergoglio and his own "election".
St. Gallen???
In Benedict XIII's defense, his fellow, er, opposing, anti-pope, John XXIII, was convicted not only of schism, but also of heresy, simony, and immorality. And historian Edward Gibbon (not a neutral observer, I'll grant you) declared that provable charges of piracy, rape, sodomy, murder and incest, against John XXIII, were hushed up.
It would be hard to treat him as a legitimate pope at this late date--for one thing, there was a legitimate Benedict XIII later (just as the 20th-century John XXIII took the number XXIII although there had been a John XXIII during the schism).
Are Pedro de Luna's adherents called Lunatics?
I don’t see how one can defend one antipope with another antipope.
The Current Pope is a Commie.
That would be the best you could call Jorge and Tucho.
St Vincent Ferrer was from Valencia as well...so he was definitely predisposed to defend a fellow Catalan!
However, the subject of the Avignon popes is so complicated that it is quite possible that he was acting in good faith (he was pope for a fair number of years).
An anti-pope is not the same as the “anti-Christ;” it is simply somebody who claims to be or is even approved to be the reigning pope where there is somebody else already installed. In other words, they are not necessarily heretics.
In our current case, however...
Must approve heretics so that someday Bergoglio can be declared a saint.
“lunatic” - Latin root moon.
Anti-Popes have to look out for each other.
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