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1 posted on 10/17/2023 11:14:34 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 10/17/2023 11:15:02 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

So?

FRomans here on FR do the same all the time.


3 posted on 10/17/2023 11:36:37 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ebb tide

James White is right less often than a broken clock, but he’s right on this.


7 posted on 10/17/2023 12:33:00 PM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: ebb tide

NOT the pope. Squatting in the seat. ANTI pope, tool of the devil.


9 posted on 10/17/2023 1:49:58 PM PDT by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: ebb tide
“This has nothing to do with exegesis,” he said. “This is woke propaganda masquerading as biblical commentary and scholarship.”

Exactly correct ... this junk is so bad it even scandalizes the Protestants.

11 posted on 10/17/2023 1:53:11 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide

The Jerome Biblical Commentary has always been Modernist crap from Raymond Brown(who didn’t believe that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, and claimed that Barabbas and his release instead of Jesus never happened). How wonderful that Frankie made it much slimier.


13 posted on 10/17/2023 3:10:59 PM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: ebb tide
Arguing that the scriptural texts condemning sodomy do not apply to today’s “modern concept of homosexuality” as a “possible sexual orientation,” the Jerome Biblical Commentary claims categorically that “the Bible does not speak about same–sex love [sic] as one does today.”

Which is the same perverse polemic that prohomosexuals attempt, among others. While also asserting that David and Jonathan was an example of today's homoerotic love (yet the sacrificial brotherly love btwn him and his fellow-solider was what David expressed was better than the erotic love of women: 2 Samuel 1:26)

“Leviticus 18:22 does not speak about the modern concept of homosexuality or homoeroticism which in general was not known as a possible sexual orientation in antiquity,” the heterodox commentary states. “The penetration of a male by a male was a way to denigrate the penetrated one to humiliate strangers or the inferior party in warfare.”

More sophistry. Nothing in the list of condemned sexual unions in Lev. 18 is based upon motive.

God made man and women distinctively different yet uniquely compatible and complementary, and only joined them together in marriage - as the Lord Jesus Himself specified (Mt. 19:4–6) - and Scripture only condemns homosexual relations wherever they are manifestly dealt with.

And homosexual relations have been tragically primarily responsible for approx. 80% of new HIV cases among men and over 700,000 American deaths, though such is not even the decisive reason why homosexual relations are wrong.

Yet there is still room at the cross for all who will come to God in repentance and faith, and trust in the Divine Son of God sent by the Father, the risen Lord Jesus, to save them on His account, by His sinless shed blood, and thus be baptized and live for Him. Acts 10:36-47

20 posted on 10/17/2023 5:20:18 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: ebb tide
For the pope:

Terms

Genesis 19

Postulations or assertions of approved homosexual relations:

Sexual morality in the Bible

Judges 19

Interpretive Foundations

Jude 1:7

Ruth and Naomi

Principal Sources

Ezekiel 16:49 and Inhospitality Texts

David and Jonathan

Genesis: the Unique Union of Man and Women

Extra Biblical historical sources

Daniel and Ashpenaz

1 Corinthians 11

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13

1 and 2 Kings

Celibacy, Polygamy, and Procreation

Leviticus Summation

Jesus, the centurion and his servant

Eunuchs and Exegesis

Sex Laws versus Slavery

Jesus and John

Proclivity and Permission Polemic (Social Justice)

Silence of Jesus Argument and Love Hermeneutic

Was Paul gay?

Conclusion
(Supplemental; James White "Gay Christianity" Refuted! Audio: "Gay Christianity" Refuted Pt. 1 Download
"Gay Christianity" Refuted Pt. 2 Download )
(Note: as usual, referal to any recommended sources does not mean agreement with every-thing that a source may say.)

Summary

Romans 1

Only Jesus save sinners


22 posted on 10/17/2023 5:31:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: ebb tide
Protestant leader ???

Why?


We got guys like ebb tide to do that internally. No need to waste precious Prot time to do so.

24 posted on 10/17/2023 9:02:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Pope Francis: chosen by the Holy Spirit working thru the College of Cardinals according to Roman Catholic edicts and tradition.


29 posted on 10/17/2023 9:14:07 PM PDT by Drago
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To: ebb tide

Thanks for posting this.


30 posted on 10/18/2023 3:01:34 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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. In 2020, the nihil obstat (meaning “nothing stands in the way”) was granted by Deacon Daniel Welter, then chancellor of the Archdiocese of Chicago, and the imprimatur (meaning “let it be printed”) was granted by Bishop Ronald Hicks, then vicar general of the Archdiocese of Chicago. The nihil obstat and imprimatur are supposed to indicate that the work to be published is free of any doctrinal error. In many instances, such as The Jerome Biblical Commentary for the Twenty-First Century: Third Edition, the seals of approval have become meaningless.

And these stamps have quite a history,

“To prevent the incursion of opinions that conflict with the church's teaching, the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, created in 1542, has the authority to ban books which it adjudges to be dangerous to the faith and morals of the faithful. The catalog of such books is called the ‘Index of Prohibited Books’ and Roman Catholics are prohibited from reading any book on the Index without permission.
In addition, the members of the church may not read or even sell any book that is dangerous to faith and morals, even if it is not on the Index. Wherever faith and morals are involved, the church claims the right of censorship over books. No Roman Catholic may publish a book dealing with doctrinal or moral matters without having it censored. The Imprimatur which appears at the beginning or the end of a Roman Catholic book is the official notice that the book has been censored and that permission for its publication has been duly granted. It does not mean that the church assumes responsibility for every statement of fact and opinion in the book, but only that the book does not contain anything inimical to the faith and practice of the church. The Index prohibits, the Imprimatur protects.
Prohibition of books and boycott of movies have ricocheted so often that thoughtful members of the church, both clergy and laymen, have expressed their doubts about the wisdom and effectiveness of the entire system of passing judgment upon the production of non-Roman authors and companies. Meanwhile the system still stands."(Jaraslov Pelikan, historical scholar, later Orthodox layman “The Riddle of Roman Catholicism “(1959); http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2006/08/imprimatur-watch-what-youre-reading-my.html)
The huge change that led to the Index Librorum Prohibitorum was the change in the way books were being produced. As the manufacturing of books increased the production of books, the Church could no longer condemn each individual book. “The deluge of printed works that swept across the Continent from Germany, Switzerland, England and the Netherlands rendered explicit condemnation of each forbidden book quite impractical” (Burke 1952, p. 6). To try and solve the new problem the Church came up with new methods to suppress heretical books. “In 1467 Innocent VIII decreed that all books must be submitted to the local Church authorities for examination and permission before being issued for general reading… The license to publish was to be printed in each book… A similar decree was issued by Leo X at the Fifth Lateran Council on May 4, 1515, and addressed to the entire world. It is the first general decree of supervisory censorship that was universally accepted” (Burke 1952 p. 6-7). Soon after this the Index was created. - http://capping.slis.ualberta.ca/cap07/CeraSchachter/precursors.html
“The Nihil obstat and Imprimatur are a declaration that a book or pamphlet is considered to be free from doctrinal or moral error.” (The Catholic Encyclopedia Revised and Updated (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1987), p. 288)
“The Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat are official declarations that a work is free from doctrinal or moral error. In a sense, this represents a negative approbation. It says the work contains no doctrinal or moral error. No implication is given, however, that the work has been endorsed by those who have granted the ecclesiastical approval or that they agree with the content, opinions or statements expressed in the work.” — http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/vocations/educators-and-youth-leaders/lesson-plans/upload/what-my-vocation-junior-high-unit-I.pdf

Canon law places significant weight on such approval:

The Church, given teaching authority by Christ and as the conduit for fullness of Truth on this earth, has the obligation to preserve Her sheep from deviations from the Truth and to to guarantee them the “objective possibility of professing the true faith without error” (Catechism, No. 890). Because of this, the Bishops will look at books published by Catholics on Catholic matters in their dioceses, giving them their “okay” if nothing therein is found to be contrary to the Faith (relevant Canon Law: “Title IV: The Means of Social Communication,” 822-832)

Can. 827 §1. To be published, catechisms and other writings pertaining to catechetical instruction or their translations require the approval of the local ordinary, without prejudice to the prescript of can. 775, §2.

§2. Books which regard questions pertaining to sacred scripture, theology, canon law, ecclesiastical history, and religious or moral disciplines cannot be used as texts on which instruction is based in elementary, middle, or higher schools unless they have been published with the approval of competent ecclesiastical authority or have been approved by it subsequently.

§3. It is recommended that books dealing with the matters mentioned in §2, although not used as texts in instruction, as well as writings which especially concern religion or good morals are submitted to the judgment of the local ordinary.

§4. Books or other writings dealing with questions of religion or morals cannot be exhibited, sold, or distributed in churches or oratories unless they have been published with the permission of competent ecclesiastical authority or approved by it subsequently.

Can. 828 It is not permitted to reprint collections of decrees or acts published by some ecclesiastical authority unless the prior permission of the same authority has been obtained and the conditions prescribed by it have been observed.

Can. 829 The approval or permission to publish some work is valid for the original text but not for new editions or translations of the same.

Can. 830 §1. The conference of bishops can compile a list of censors outstanding in knowledge, correct doctrine, and prudence to be available to diocesan curias or can also establish a commission of censors which local ordinaries can consult; the right of each local ordinary to entrust judgment regarding books to persons he approves, however, remains intact.

§2. In fulfilling this office, laying aside any favoritism, the censor is to consider only the doctrine of the Church concerning faith and morals as it is proposed by the ecclesiastical magisterium.

§3. A censor must give his or her opinion in writing; if it is favorable, the ordinary, according to his own prudent judgment, is to grant permission for publication to take place, with his name and the time and place of the permission granted expressed. If he does not grant permission, the ordinary is to communicate the reasons for the denial to the author of the work.

Can. 831 §1. Except for a just and reasonable cause, the Christian faithful are not to write anything for newspapers, magazines, or periodicals which are accustomed to attack openly the Catholic religion or good morals; clerics and members of religious institutes, however, are to do so only with the permission of the local ordinary.

§2. It is for the conference of bishops to establish norms concerning the requirements for clerics and members of religious institutes to take part on radio or television in dealing with questions of Catholic doctrine or morals.

Can. 832 Members of religious institutes also need permission of their major superior according to the norm of the constitutions in order to publish writings dealing with questions of religion or morals. - https://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/eng/documents/cic_lib3-cann822-833_en.html

But since TradCaths determine the validity of the authority of leadership based upon their judgment of what past valid teaching is and means, then "competent ecclesiastical authority" only refers to those whom they approve. Which is actually not without precedent.
31 posted on 10/18/2023 3:36:33 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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Protestant apologist and podcaster Dr. James White roundly mocked and denounced the commentary. “This has nothing to do with exegesis,” he said. “This is woke propaganda masquerading as biblical commentary and scholarship.”

He is simply affirming the Biblical Truth and the standard historical evangelical position.

32 posted on 10/18/2023 3:49:10 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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Which affirming can also lead to sanctioning of condoms, in the light of: . 

"Young gay and bisexual men accounted for 84% (5,161) of all new HIV diagnoses in people aged 13 to 24 in 2020," and "in 2019, among transgender adults and adolescents, the largest percentage (93%) of diagnoses of HIV infections was for transgender MTF, and  in 2019, diagnoses of HIV infection among adolescent and young adult males (85%) and females (12%) accounted for approximately 97% of HIV diagnoses  (Table 8b") (https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/statistics.html; https://web.archive.org/web/20210707083722/https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/library/reports/hiv-surveillance/vol-32/content/special-focus-profiles.html)

 In 2019, the largest percentage of HIV infections among all was attributed to male-to-male sexual contact (66% overall and 81% among males).  In 2019, among females, the largest percentage of HIV infection was attributed to heterosexual contact (83%).

In 2018 92% of HIV infections among men aged 13 to 24 was attributed to male-to-male sexual contact:

33 posted on 10/18/2023 4:03:08 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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34 posted on 10/18/2023 6:43:22 AM PDT by ebb tide
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It didn’t begin with homosexuality. It began with historical Biblical criticism and evolution, which Catholic Bible commentators have been pushing for at least seventy years.


35 posted on 10/18/2023 7:54:42 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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