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JESUS MEANT WHAT HE SAID
Catholic Answers Magazine ^ | October 2022 | KARLO BROUSSARD

Posted on 10/02/2023 11:57:46 AM PDT by ADSUM

“The Catholic Church teaches that when we partake of the Eucharist in Holy Communion, we are consuming the actual physical body of Jesus Christ (Catechism of the Catholic Church 1244, 1275, 1375).”

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: cannibalism; catholic; catholiccompulsion; eucharist; metaphysics; provocation; transubstantiation; truth
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To: Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom; boatbums; MayflowerMadam
...through Christ Jesus our Lord, and the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church.

Sorry bro. I am just not into the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church. 😆😊😂😀😄😁 and I don’t think much of Joe Smith, Charles T Russell, Mary Baker Eddy, Ellen G White, Herbert W Armstrong, Felix Y Manalo, Apollo C Quiboloy, Ken Copeland, Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis, TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen. Did I miss anyone? 😊😆

201 posted on 10/06/2023 5:39:52 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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To: wita

—> Joseph was called to restore the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the earth

It was never removed and is on the pages of Scripture today.

—> from which it was taken following the death of the Apostles ordained by Jesus Christ

It was never removed.

Joe was used by Satan to create a henotheistic cult that perverts the Gospel of Grace.

—> They then must have inherited the church from the Catholics

God has always had believers who did not bow the knee to Baal.

But since God has no grandchildren, your argument is a false one anyway.

—-> So the ball is in your court to weigh the evidence.

Weighed and found lacking:

Scammer false prophet
False witnesses
False gospel
False (created) god
False (created) Mormon Jesus.
Mother gods that having celestial sex to produce spiritual offspring
False temples
Pantheon of innumerable gods, each with a planet to populate and rule over - like a multilevel marketing downline.
Etc.


202 posted on 10/06/2023 6:14:53 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: Mark17

All charlatans.


203 posted on 10/06/2023 6:43:23 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("Normal" is never coming back.)
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To: MurphsLaw
Nope. I am too much of a sinner to be “one of the tradcaths. I absolutely do not reject Vatican 2,

Meaning, like them, you make RC teaching subject to interpretation. To the tradcaths credit, it is hard to interpret Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation) as not being infallible, and as including in regeneration and salvation those

"many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (Cf. Jn. 16:13) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ... in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them.. “All who have been justified by Faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ: they therefore have a right to be called Christians;

When EENS promulgates such assertions as,

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce [ex cathedra] that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
"If, therefore, the Greeks or others say that they are not committed to Peter and to his successors, they necessarily say that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since the Lord says that there is only one fold and one shepherd (Jn.10:16). Whoever, therefore, resists this authority, resists the command of God Himself." — Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302) http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html

“There is only one true, holy, Catholic Church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded on Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church. - Pope Pius IX (1846–1878), Encyclical Singulari Quidem, March 17, 1856)
"Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body.", - Pope, Pius XII: encyclical Mystici Corporis (1943):
the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation.. - Pius XII, Humani Generis (27)

You may be surprised, maybe not, to learn that non-Catholics D. Bonhoeffer and CS Lewis are among my most favorite spiritual writers. And that I absolutely believe they will be in Heaven on that day, even though they were “outside” of the Catholic Church and did not participate (probably) in the specific Catholic Eucharistic Sacrament in their Communion practice.

Which means that your prior invocation of Jn. 6:53 and stating thereby that 'how many times do you need Christ to tell you to Eat His Flesh for Life within in Him? 6 times? 10 times? 20 times? How many would convince you?" Seems like Jesus is pretty dang adamant there," must be abandoned as meaning just that, despite your double-down dare you.

Was the Eucharist meant to be necessary for Salvation off the lips of Christ in the same way? Somehow, yes, I believe that must have been the case. ...Above all things- God is in control.

So "somehow it was ("must have been") which recourse to ambiguity is one of the valid grievances against V2 by TradCaths.

My point was that Jesus words there were real and meant for his Presence to be with us always- physically with us on the Altar. If I believe them to be real as well, then the Blessed Sacrament brings Christ physically into my body…The one who does not believe then I think they are not bound by this Sacrament.

Really?! Meaning not only that Jn. 6:53 only applies to those who believe in the Catholic "Real Presence" but by extension, all other "verily verily" statements as well.

But then a young Baptized Child who dies, without ever receiving the Eucharist, would not be sent outside the Body of Christ.

The the Eucharist has nothing to do with it, since those who are not morally culpable of sin - which includes the unborn - will not be punished for what they did, nor for what their ancestors did and affected them with, as is taught many times, (Deuteronomy 24:16; 2Ki 14:5,6; 2Ch 25:4; Jer 31:29,30; Eze 18:20) Nor are children rewarded for what their ancestors did, though in this life, all are affected by the actions of others for good or for evil. Thus even the command to repent, believe with all your heart and be baptized (Acts 2:38; 8:36,37) does not apply to them. As their angels behold God's face, I think so may they, if not rewarded as believers will be for works of faith. (1 Co. 3:8ff)

I mention this because I noticed you mentioned in your description of Non-Caths as ”devout SS type trinitarian baptized Prots. Why did you include “baptized”?

Because that is what I was saying Lumen Gentium states. Context.

You believe Baptism is essential for Salvation. Or do you just only need Faith in Jesus?

As expressed many times, one needs the kind of faith which effects obedience to the known will of God, as able, by the Spirit. Which formally is usually first the of confessing the Lord Jesus in "body language, by baptism. Refusal to do the known will of God is a denial of faith, and dying in such means forfeiting what faith obtained.

So now doctrine is necessary to explain this Scripture full to live by. Look then again, at St. Paul, as he states the "even approaching the Body and Blood of Christ unworthily" is a bad thing. So now the development is not only not eating His Flesh is not a good thing- but now even approaching the Blessed Bread in the wrong way does (not maybe) bring judgement on oneself. Where did that come from?

Where? From your persistent comprehension that teaching in 1 Co. 11, wih its blatant ignorance of context and persistence eisegesis, which I labored for some time (typing with my stiff arthritic fingers) just 2 days ago showing you, only to have you ignore such again!

Which by the way- in Jesus' instructions for the 72 (or 70) They were not to carry a purse, no bag and wear no sandals... Did Jesus say "take the scriptures with you"..? Did Jesus, "only by the OT Scriptures will you convert these stiff-necked Jews.."? No- No... This alone, should spank your SS tradition to the curb... anachronism be damned !

Rather, what is damnable is your inexcusable persistent ignorant recourse to miscomprehensions of SS, despite these strawman polemics being exposed as such and refuted on FR (as here , and here, and here, and here and here by the grace of God, including amid the multitudinous posts to you by me on this, as recently as here, and here.

In short, in unwarranted reiteration, and as can be substantiated as by the Westminster Confession, etc., SS is about what Scripture is and provides, as alone being being the sure substantive, sufficient, wholly God-inspired word of God, whereby one may (not necessarily will) be saved and grow in grace, and with sufficiency extending to what can be deduced thru "due use of ordinary means" and via principles (by which it provides for a canon), and under which the teaching and magisterial office of the church is affirmed such as to settle disputes and clarify teaching. But not as possessing perpetual ensured veracity, but with this resting upon the degree of Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, including the miraculous, as it was with the NT church.

Which, contrary to RC strawmen, does not mean (among other nonsense) the "Bible alone" as a recent RC thread was titled, nor that one must be able to have or read the Bible to be saved, part of whole, nor that SS missionaries could never - if necessary - lead and disciple souls without even having one, or the whole of it, and call souls to obey oral preaching. But only under the premise that what is being taught is Scriptural and thus can pass the test of examination thereby, as the messages and ministry of Christ Himself was, as He comprehensively showed, (Lk. 24:27; Lk. 24:44) and opened the minds of the disciples to do the same, (Lk. 24:45).

And that by what Scripture materially provides, "the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works,"(2 Timothy 3:17) though from Adam and Eve onward, God has always provided what is necessary for man to obey Him, to which light He is accountable for, yet He gives more grace. The the magisterial office of church is essential to settle disputes, in subjection of Scripture, and not as superior to it, contrary to the Catholic premise of ensured perpetual magisterial veracity (and basically in primary cults).

In contrast to SS is the necessary Catholic alternative, that of sola ecclesia with its unscriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial veracity (EPMV) of office, under which the word of God only authoritatively consists of and means what she defines it to being and meaning, thus effectively making herself the sole supreme sure standard for faith and morals, which premise is not how the NT church began. Which was actually in dissent from the historical magisterium's judgment is who and what was of God, and instead the NT church established its Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, i by which the source of attestive miracles could be discerned.

This and more has already been shown you, yet evidently ignored while you persist on posting prevaricating propaganda, which itself is not an argument against being a RC! .

Nowhere in the NT OR OT interpretive does it claim it has to be found in NT interpretive. Nowhere. God certainly is not bound by that....Yet you hold that view knowing it was antithetical to what the beginning of the Church evidence does in fact prove....You can't admit there was not a formalized NT scripture for the first few centuries- let alone any literacy to understand them alone....You have to deny the Apostles did not teach this SS,

To the contrary, A NT was not needed, since what was preached was based upon what Christ showed from Scripture, that He was the promised Messiah. God is not bound by what He can do, consistent with His word, thus the Lord Himself substantiated His claims upon Scripture. For an authoritative body of wholly God-inspired writings had been manifestly established by the time of Christ as being "Scripture, ("in all the Scriptures") "even the tripartite canon of the Law, the Prophets and The Writings, by which the Lord Jesus established His messiahship and ministry and opened the minds of the disciples to, who did the same . (Luke 24:27.44,45; Acts 17:2; 18:28, etc.)

For God manifestly made writing His most-reliable means of authoritative preservation. (Exodus 17:14; 34:1,27; Deuteronomy 10:4; 17:18; 27:3,8; 31:24; Joshua 1:8; 2 Chronicles 34:15,18-19, 30-31; Psalm 19:7-11; 119; Isaiah 30:8; Jeremiah 30:2; Matthew 4:5-7; 22:29; Luke 24:44,45; John 5:46,47; John 20:31; Acts 17:2,11; 18:28; Revelation 1:1; 20:12, 15 And thus as abundantly evidenced , as written, Scripture became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God. And which Hebrew Scriptures provided the doctrinal and prophetic epistemological foundation for the NT church. Thus the veracity of even apostolic oral preaching could be subject to testing by Scripture, (Acts 17:11) and not vice versa.

Moreover, men such as the apostles could speak as wholly inspired of God and also provide new public revelation thereby (in conflation with what had been written), neither of popes and councils claim to do. Thus the written word is the assured infallible word of God.

and that somehow the Eucharistic Mass just popped up out of nowhere, illegitimately.

No, that is not even logical, but like other examples of ignorance, this was a later development, for as shown, nowhere interpretative of the gospels was the Lord's supper taught or exampled was being a sacrifice for sins and and spiritual food as conducted and confected by Catholic priests.

And seeing as you persist in posting the same polemics, blithely ignoring refutations of such, why should I take more hours typing more on the same.

Thus I will leave you to individual links as your "penance" as no more of your ignorant reiterations of perverse parroted propaganda warrants more time. May God grant you “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:25)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3867413/posts?page=77#77
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https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/4044225/posts?page=825#825
https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/4001908/posts?page=18#18 . Why should anyone even care to respond to you?

204 posted on 10/06/2023 6:56:51 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Elsie

If you are willing to accept the answer, which is the JST has been incorporated into the quad and individual books of scripture via footnotes.


205 posted on 10/06/2023 7:09:54 AM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Pantheon of innumerable gods, each with a planet to populate and rule over - like a multilevel marketing downline. Etc.

Did Brigham Young say there are six foot Quakers on Star Base Kolob, or only on the moon? I wonder if he watched First Men in the Moon, with Lionel Jeffries, Martha Hyer, and Edward Judd? Maybe they got the idea for the movie, from Brigham Young, and not H G Wells. 😄😂😆😀😊

206 posted on 10/06/2023 7:36:34 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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To: Elsie

” If God DID start the TRUE, corrected, restored religion of Mormonism, why has HE been so quiet for so many decades?

Huh?

In the minds of a few detractors who love to misuse the word Mormon stands a lowly prophet of the Book of Mormon and generally unrecognized other than for the title of the book.

Mormonism is not a religion. The fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is, and is within the structure of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

You, the suppository of all things Mormon and you think God has been quiet? I’m truly shocked. There has been a continuing procession of prophets, seers, and revelators, in the leadership of the CoJCoLDS since the 1830 beginning. That would include biannual general conference of the Church where the prophets, seers, and revelators are given the opportunity to speak to the membership and non members.

You know there is more, much more, three more books of scripture and promise of even more. How about the speeches you love to quote the Journal of Discourses? Quiet? I don’t think so and the “world” may or may not be listening at their peril.


207 posted on 10/06/2023 7:39:40 AM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: Elsie

Off the top of my head what do we know of the execution of false prophets?

What I read in the Good Book.


208 posted on 10/06/2023 7:42:43 AM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: Elsie

Uh... isn’t the KJV bible included in your list of scripture that you believe in?

...and that has exactly what to do with the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the evangelical inheritance from the Catholic Church?


209 posted on 10/06/2023 7:46:50 AM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: Elsie

Well my friend what remained after the death of the Apostles?

The Roman Church from which you have evolved.

I suggest it was a necessary evolving as the liberty needed for the Restoration was not found in the old world.


210 posted on 10/06/2023 7:51:00 AM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: Elsie

Does the FACT that ‘if what they say does NOT come to pass’ even register with you?

Do you know just how much of latter day prophecy contained in the Bible has not yet come to pass???

If that was a criteria who in their right mind would still be Christian???

You either know how to recognize a prophet through the whisperings of the Holy Spirit or you don’t. That spirit does not speak with forked tongue or tell you something other than he would tell me. There are as you well know different spirits roaming the earth and you know who the God of this world is.

One of us is wrong on some points of Doctrine. I don’t believe that adds up to dead wrong in the spiritual sense for all believers end up in a kingdom of glory according to our scripture.


211 posted on 10/06/2023 8:03:53 AM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: Mark17

.. so many more out there, sigh


212 posted on 10/06/2023 8:15:43 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
.. so many more out there, sigh

Many more what? Star bases?
Where do they get this rot gut? It’s so stupid. How on earth, do they have even the slightest bit of credibility?

213 posted on 10/06/2023 8:24:26 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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To: boatbums

I am stage of life that I try to share my love of God and neighbor by sharing the Good News as God’s revealed truths.

In spite of your presumptions, I am open to God’s Truths but not the work of the devil or man that tries to imply other truths. For example I believe that God gave us life and it is a mortal sin to be involved in an abortion or life ending procedures. I believe that God made man and woman and not 57 varieties as marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe we have a responsibility to worship God and participate in the seven Sacraments that Jesus gave us.

So I will address your comments and try to explain my understanding.

Yes, I agree that Jesus told us we need Faith for our salvation, but He told us we need Baptism, Faith, Hope and Charity, Be free of Mortal sins, Love God, Choose God and love our neighbor, Keep God’s Commandments and belief in the word of God.

Jesus never told us that by Faith alone we would be guaranteed to go to Heaven. Just the opposite in James 2:24 “You see that man is justified by works and not by faith alone.” “Faith by itself, if it has no works is ‘dead’” (2:17) “barren” (2:20) Faith was completed by works. We do not earn salvation by our works, as salvation is a gift from God. However, we choose God by our works that completes faith.

Your comment: “The reason you aren’t sure you are going to heaven when you die is because you are trusting in yourself and not in Jesus Christ to save you.”

How can you make that statement? You can’t possibly know what is in my heart. I sense that you may have been misled by false teachers in your beliefs.

Your comment: “ALL sin is mortal - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23)”

There are mortal and venial sins. All sins are displeasing to God. Mortal sins destroy the divine life in the soul of the sinner (sanctifying grace), constituting a turn away from God. CCC 1855, 1857 Rejecting God’s Truth may be a mortal sin.

Death to the body came to mankind because of original sin. Jesus death on the Cross reconciled men with God and made His Church the sacrament of unity and union with God. We still have eternal life - either in heaven or hell.

There are some ifs that we need to follow for our salvation if we have salvific faith. We human beings must keep our God-ordained end of the bargain for our sins to be forgiven by God this side of the veil:

1 John 1:7: If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Matthew 6:14-15: For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

While I try to follow the teachings of Jesus and His Catholic Church to the best of my ability, I realize that we are all human and have own own opinions based what we have learned from others. I hope that we both understand God’s Truths and live it in our lives.

May God continue to guide you to understand His Divine Truth.


214 posted on 10/06/2023 9:33:49 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM

You sound like you do not know if you are saved now, despite your list.

Why might that be?


215 posted on 10/06/2023 6:10:22 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: wita
If you are willing to accept the answer, which is the JST has been incorporated into the quad and individual books of scripture via footnotes

What YOU should 'accept' is the lameness of this argument.

The KJV MUST be thrown out (after all; it just HAS to have places where it is NOT translated correctly ; according to other LDS scripture) and the Inspired Version placed into it's rightful place as commanded by GOD.


DEMAND accountability from your LDS leaders!

216 posted on 10/06/2023 6:14:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wita
 
Mormonism is not a religion.

True. It is a corporation.

 



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ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

STATE OF UTAH

COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

I, the undersigned, having been duly chosen and appointed President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in conformity with the rites, regulations and discipline of said Church, being desirous of forming a corporation for the purpose of acquiring, holding and disposing of Church or religious society property, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship, under and pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 3, Title 19, of the Compiled Laws of Utah, 1917, on "Churches and Religious Societies," and all acts amendatory thereof and supplementary thereto, for that purpose do hereby make and subscribe, in duplicate, the following

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION

First: The name of this corporation shall be the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

Second: The object of this corporation shall be to acquire, hold and dispose of such real and personal property as may be conveyed to or acquired by said corporation for the benefit of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a religious society, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship. Such real and personal property may be situated, either within the State of Utah, or elsewhere, and this corporation shall have power, without any authority or authorization from the members of said Church or religious society, to grant, sell, convey, rent, mortgage, exchange, or otherwise dispose of any part or all of such property.

Third: The estimated value of the property of which I hold the legal title for the purpose aforesaid, at the time of making these Articles of Incorporation, is One Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars.

Fourth: The title of the person making these Articles of Incorporation is "PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS."

Fifth: The corporation seal shall contain the words, "Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," and an impression thereof is hereto affixed.

[Seal] [Signed] Heber J. Grant
President of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints.

STATE OF UTAH
SS:
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

On this 26th day of November, 1923, before me, Arthur Winter, a Notary Public in and for said County, personally appeared HEBER J. GRANT, who is known to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and duly acknowledged to me that he executed the same as such President.

[Seal] [Signed] Arthur Winter
Notary Public
Residing at Salt Lake City, Utah.
My commission expires Dec. 1, 1923.


AMENDMENT TO

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

 

 

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
STATE OF UTAH ss.
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

HEBER J. GRANT, being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

That he is now and for more than twenty years last past has been the duly chosen and appointed President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and as such President has been since on or about the 26th day of November, 1923, and now is, the legally constituted Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter=day Saints, a corporation sole; that under and pursuant to Section 18-7-5 R.S.U. 1933 he hereby amends Article "Fourth" of said Articles of Incorporation as now of record in the proper offices of this and other states, said article as amended to read as follows:

ARTICLE FOURTH

Fourth: The title of the person making these articles of incorporation is "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." He and his successor in office shall be deemed and are hereby created a body politic and corporation sole with perpetual succession, having all the powers and rights and authority in these articles specified or provided for by law. But in the event of death or resignation from office of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or in the event of a vacancy in that office from any cause, the President or Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of said Church, or one of the members of said Quorum thereunto designated by that Quorum, shall, pending the installation of a successor President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, be the corporation sole under these articles, and the laws pursuant to which they are made, and shall be and is authorized in his official capacity to execute in the name of the corporation all documents or other writings necessary to the carrying on of its purposes, business and objects, and to do all things in the name of the corporation which the original signer of the articles of incorporation might do; it being the purpose of these articles that there shall be no failure in succession in the office of such corporation sole.

[Signed] Heber J. Grant
President of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints,
corporation sole.
[Seal]

Subscribed and sworn to before me this 18 day of June, 1940.
[the name of Notary Public not shown on copy of amendment]

(Original in State of Utah Archives, Salt Lake City, Utah)


ARTICLES OF AMENDMENT
TO THE

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.


A UTAH CORPORATION SOLE

Pursuant to the provisions of Section 16-7-5 of the Utah Code Annotated 1953 (as amended) relating to amendments of articles of incorporation of corporations sole, the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole, does hereby amend its Articles of Incorporation by adding an additional Paragraph V thereto as follows:

Upon the winding up and dissolution of this corporation, after paying or adequately providing for the debts and obligations of the corporation, the remaining assets shall be distributed to a nonprofit fund, foundation or corporation, which is organized and operated exclusively for charitable, educational, or religious and/or scientific purposes and which has established its tax-exempt status under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned has caused these presents to be executed this 19th day of November, 1973.

CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE
CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY
SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole

By: [signed] Harold B. Lee
Harold B. Lee, Corporation Sole

STATE OF UTAH ) ss:
County of Salt Lake )

HAROLD B. LEE, being first duly sworn, deposes and says: That he is now and ever since July 7, 1972, has been the duly chosen and appointed President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and, as such president, is now and ever since said date has been the legally constituted CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole; that the original Articles of Incorporation of said Corporation Sole were executed by Heber J. Grant, President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints; that he, Harold B. Lee, is the successor in office to the said Heber J. Grant; that he, Harold B. Lee, executed the foregoing Articles of Amendment as said Corporation Sole.

[signed] Harold B. Lee

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN to before me this 19th day of November, 1973.

[signed] Wilford W Kirton, Jr
NOTARY PUBLIC
Residing at Salt Lake City, Utah
My commission expires:
2-3-77


Articles of Incorporation as amended:

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION

First: The name of this corporation shall be the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

Second: The object of this corporation shall be to acquire, hold and dispose of such real and personal property as may be conveyed to or acquired by said corporation for the benefit of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a religious society, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship. Such real and personal property may be situated, either within the State of Utah, or elsewhere, and this corporation shall have power, without any authority or authorization from the members of said Church or religious society, to grant, sell, convey, rent, mortgage, exchange, or otherwise dispose of any part or all of such property.

Third: The estimated value of the property of which I hold the legal title for the purpose aforesaid, at the time of making these Articles of Incorporation, is One Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars.

Fourth: The title of the person making these articles of incorporation is "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." He and his successor in office shall be deemed and are hereby created a body politic and corporation sole with perpetual succession, having all the powers and rights and authority in these articles specified or provided for by law. But in the event of death or resignation from office of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or in the event of a vacancy in that office from any cause, the President or Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of said Church, or one of the members of said Quorum thereunto designated by that Quorum, shall, pending the installation of a successor President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, be the corporation sole under these articles, and the laws pursuant to which they are made, and shall be and is authorized in his official capacity to execute in the name of the corporation all documents or other writings necessary to the carrying on of its purposes, business and objects, and to do all things in the name of the corporation which the original signer of the articles of incorporation might do; it being the purpose of these articles that there shall be no failure in succession in the office of such corporation sole.

Fifth: Upon the winding up and dissolution of this corporation, after paying or adequately providing for the debts and obligations of the corporation, the remaining assets shall be distributed to a nonprofit fund, foundation or corporation, which is organized and operated exclusively for charitable, educational, or religious and/or scientific purposes and which has established its tex-exempt status under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.

Sixth: The corporate seal shall contain the words, "Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," and an impression thereof is hereto affixed.


 Of course the god(s) that lead(s) Mormonism apparently has changed their mind numerous times on what to call their church.

 

 

 

After its founding in 1830, the church was known variously as The Church of Christ, The Church of Jesus Christ and even The Church of the Latter-day Saints. In 1838, it became The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when church founder Joseph Smith received what was recorded as a revelation from God:

“For thus shall my church be called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” Smith declared in Doctrine and Covenants 115:4.

LDS Church wants everyone to stop calling it the LDS Church and drop the word ‘Mormons’ — but some members doubt it will happen (sltrib.com)



217 posted on 10/06/2023 6:29:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wita
You, the suppository of all things Mormon and you think God has been quiet? I’m truly shocked.

elsie: the PITA of Mormonism.

For we ALL know where suppositories are placed.

218 posted on 10/06/2023 6:32:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wita
... you think God has been quiet? .

Alas; I had forgotten of the BIGGIE that GOD instructed the early Mormon church to do (or not).

 
 
 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place 
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done.
I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this:
I should have let all the temples go out of our hands;
I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what
I did do; and when the hour came that
I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me.
I went before the Lord, and
I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
or compared to...
 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
 


 
So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 



 
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 

 


219 posted on 10/06/2023 6:36:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wita
...and that has exactly what to do with the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the evangelical inheritance from the Catholic Church?

I guess you fail to realize that the LDS religion is USING the OLD and NEW testements that were compiled by the Catholic church.

220 posted on 10/06/2023 6:38:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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