Posted on 07/01/2023 5:39:55 PM PDT by vespa300
Update (June 29, 2023): The Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of a Pennsylvania postal worker who lost his job for refusing to take Sunday delivery shifts due to his Christian observance of the Sabbath.
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And a great many people were added to the Lord. So Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.
Acts 11:24-26
Originally, the label was a term of derision. I think before they were called "Christians" they were called "Jews", "brothers", and "sisters" who believed, were indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and "saved".
Indeed, Some early believers (Peter et al) sought to compel Gentiles believers to follow some of the Mosaic Law and Jewish traditions. Even Paul conceded on certain matters at the insistence of these "judaizers."
Here is what Paul (by inspiration) wrote:
But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
Galatians 2:14
Clearly, Daniel is correct on this matter.
The Supreme Court made a bad ruling. It will create problems for businesses and their customers.
Have a blessed “Lord’s Day”!
(...whenever you have it.)
Bye-bye.
“U kind of lost me.”
Man has the choice of what to follow and what not to follow. If the USPS wishes to work on Sunday, or what ever day, then that’s a decision they made. By taking a job which could have placed him working on his sabbath, which for him appears to be Sunday, I can’t fathom why he did it if it was against his religion. That like the Jewish taking a job where they work on Saturday. That is upon them and they shouldn’t force the employer to change what the company is and has been doing for a long time. I put that on the employee.
And other religions have days a lot like the Christian sabbath. Buddhists also have a day of rest, which is called Uposatha. Hindu temples observe a specific day for worship, they do not observe a set day. Sikhs do not have a particular day of worship, he says, but due to the American work week, Sunday is a popular day for services. Johar says his gurdwara has formal services on Wednesdays and Fridays, in addition to Sundays. And these are all major attended religions throughout the world thus the US.
As an employer, if I have a person who cannot attend to the job for any reason, and doesn’t tell the employer at the time of hiring that he/she can’t, then they shouldn’t be hired if they cannot do the job and should look for a job that doesn’t interfere with their personal time if it means that much to them. But not telling the employer a shortfall to completing the job and then demanding the job be changed for their personal desires, I believe borders on the line of dishonesty. If you had a politician that wanted your vote but told you they couldn’t do the job for personal reason, would you vote for them. I wouldn’t. And what about the military, the police, the firefighters, and the ambulance and hospital services? Do they close up shop if their nurses and doctors want to worship. If they do, people die. Should be the same for everyone.
wy69
Your mockery, despite your cleverness, is evident.
Romans 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
You would have people continue to walk after the flesh, not after the Spirit.
JMO, YMMV
Man has the choice of what to follow and what not to follow. If the USPS wishes to work on Sunday, or what ever day, then that’s a decision they made. By taking a job which could have placed him working on his sabbath, which for him appears to be Sunday, I can’t fathom why he did it if it was against his religion.
The job description did not require this employee to work on Sundays when he took the job. The USPS added that requirement later when making an accomodation for Amazon.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/22-174_k536.pdf
Groff v. Dejoy, Postmaster General, U.S. Sup. Ct. No. 22–174 (29 Jn 2023), Opinion of the Court at pp. 1-3: [blue font added]
Gerald Groff is an Evangelical Christian who believes for religious reasons that Sunday should be devoted to worship and rest, not “secular labor” and the “transport[ation]” of worldly “goods.” App. 294. In 2012, Groff began his employment with the United States Postal Service (USPS), which has more than 600,000 employees. He became a Rural Carrier Associate, a job that required him to assist regular carriers in the delivery of mail. When he took the position, it generally did not involve Sunday work. But within a few years, that changed. In 2013, USPS entered into an agreement with Amazon to begin facilitating Sunday deliveries, and in 2016, USPS signed a memorandum of understanding with the relevant union (the National Rural Letter Carriers’ Association) that set out how Sunday and holiday parcel delivery would be handled. During a 2-month peak season, each post office would use its own staff to deliver packages. At all other times, Sunday and holiday deliveries would be carried out by employees (including Rural Carrier Associates like Groff) working from a “regional hub.” For Quarryville, Pennsylvania, where Groff was originally stationed, the regional hub was the Lancaster Annex.The memorandum specifies the order in which USPS employees are to be called on for Sunday work outside the peak season. First in line are each hub’s “Assistant Rural Carriers”— part-time employees who are assigned to the hub and cover only Sundays and holidays. Second are any volunteers from the geographic area, who are assigned on a rotating basis. And third are all other carriers, who are compelled to do the work on a rotating basis. Groff fell into this third category, and after the memorandum of understanding was adopted, he was told that he would be required to work on Sunday. He then sought and received a transfer to Holtwood, a small rural USPS station that had only seven employees and that, at the time, did not make Sunday deliveries. But in March 2017, Amazon deliveries began there as well.
With Groff unwilling to work on Sundays, USPS made other arrangements. During the peak season, Sunday deliveries that would have otherwise been performed by Groff were carried out by the rest of the Holtwood staff, including the postmaster, whose job ordinarily does not involve delivering mail. During other months, Groff’s Sunday assignments were redistributed to other carriers assigned to the regional hub. Throughout this time, Groff continued to receive “progressive discipline” for failing to work on Sundays. 35 F.4th 162, 166 (CA3 2022). Finally, in January 2019, he resigned.
A few months later, Groff sued under Title VII, asserting that USPS could have accommodated his Sunday Sabbath practice “without undue hardship on the conduct of [USPS’s] business.” 42 U. S. C. §2000e(j).
Jesus expanded upon the commandment to show the full extent of the law and what it encompassed.
He also showed that man could never keep the law, thus the need for His ultimate sacrifice.
Premeditated murder is judged more harshly than
murder because it shows forethought.
——>He also showed that man could never keep the law...
Yet, that’s exactly what He asks us to do.
——>Indeed, Some early believers (Peter et al) sought to compel Gentiles believers to follow some of the Mosaic Law and Jewish traditions. Even Paul conceded on certain matters at the insistence of these “Judaizers.”
Has NOTHING to do with God’s 10 commandments and His Sabbath, which are not ceremonial/shadows/types/rituals, etc... Why can’t you understand that? Those all ended on Friday afternoon, at the cross. Not original, intact 10 commandment law. I gave you absolute proof with Luke 23. It’s not even debatable. Luke makes that clear, regardless of what Jewish converts were trying to impose on the Gentile believers. The 7th-day-Sabbath wasn’t part of it.
Show me, don't tell me.
This is what He asks us to do...
Matthew 22:35-40
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The flesh is corrupted.
That's why it's not included.
Where is your mind?
Where is your soul?
Where is your heart?
Are they overwhelmed with Earthly concerns?
Are they free from Earthly concerns?
I don't know about others, but joyful reward sure
sounds a lot better than eternal damnation.
/thinking out loud
>>>Matthew 5:27-28
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Jesus expanded upon the commandment to show the full extent of the law and what it encompassed.
He also showed that man could never keep the law, thus the need for His ultimate sacrifice.>>>>
Well, I agree with what you say. But why do today’s evangelicals destroy the law? It’s bizarre theology they have. They think that when Jesus “fulfilled” the law, that meant he destroyed the law. The moral law, the 10 commandments reveal sin. No law, no sin.
It’s like they don’t process it. No protestant ever taught this before. Rome doesn’t even teach it. It’s this new covenant dispensationalism. So much error, even the secret rapture. A doctrine for those who want the crown without the cross. As if they are so special, God is going to whisk them away before they have to face any tribulation. In the meantime we see Christians around the world being killed, tortured, jailed, burned alive and it’s been like throughout history.
Now, as far as Jesus keeping the law to show we couldn’t, I’m not sure a I agree. With the holy spirit, we can overcome any and all known, cherished, habitual sin. I think Jesus kept the law to save us, not to show us up. We choose to sin. So it’s not that we can’t obey...it’s that we choose not to. I sin every day, we all fall daily. Paul said he was the chief of sinners because he was using God’s standard of righteousness, not the world’s.
And God requires perfection and only Jesus ever had it and he imputes that to me in the judgement. So I am declared not guilty.....not made righteous.....declared righteous.
Only after he wipes the foam off.
Heck; in Indiana we STILL don’t sell CARS on Sunday!
God gave his laws to this nation only.
Or a narcotic.
Hang around FR a while and meet it's Catholics.
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