Posted on 03/30/2023 6:43:37 PM PDT by ADSUM
It's not sola scriptura. It's not sola fide. It's a doctrine most people don't even know by name.
Why?
Easier than proving me wrong?
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Scripture is Truth and all one needs to be saved. it's God's special revelation to us of His nature, character, and the means by which He atones for our sin. It is enough to point us to Christ so we can turn to Him and be saved. God did NOT give us an incomplete plan of salvation and leave us to fend for ourselves for the rest.
I rather like that Jesus will be the One doing the cleaning.
What kind of pods or detergent or lye or bleach is going to be present in Purgatory that'll do the cleaning part?
“Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow” (Psalm 51:7, ESV).
Yes, exactly the words he used to the real Satan in the desert. As Christ and Peter both well knew. In this second usage, Christ was clearly using the same phraseology in order to take Peter to task. He was a tough taskmaster. He was teaching Peter.
I am sorry to hear she has passed on.
Aren’t wives a blessing?
Mixed blessing. But I do miss her. Thank you.
What a ridiculous argument and weak excuse to use to insert Roman Catholicism in the equation. It starts with a false premise and goes downhill from there..
Of course literacy is not required. Nobody is required to READ Scripture to be saved. It's by hearing or being communicated the message, for those who are Deaf, lest you then ridiculously then argue that Deaf people can't be saved because they can't hear. I have met your type before.
Romans 10:8-17 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
And ANYONE can share the word of God with someone else because it's not the messenger who does the saving but the message.
It's the Scripture, not the vehicle through which the Scripture comes, and honestly, the moral degradation, the homosexuality, corruption, and pedophilia that has infested Roman Catholicism for so many centuries has destroyed the Roman religion's credibility in spreading the Good News of the gospel of Christ. People are saved by hearing Scripture in spite of Roman Catholicism's role not because of it.
And that because Scripture is powerful and enough for salvation NOT because Rome supposedly preached it.
There is no eternal, ongoing sacrifice of Jesus for our sin.
Jesus while here on earth, suffered, past tense, died, past tense, and rose again, past tense, and is currently seated at the right hand of God in heaven waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool.
He completed the work of salvation and showed it by rising from the dead, something Catholicism refuses to acknowledge as they just love keeping Him forever nailed to the cross, forever dying but never finishing the work and finally conquering sin and death by over coming it by dying and rising from the dead.
And if the Bible was so darn easy to understand and interpret, why there should be no divisions within Protestantism because after all it is so gosh darn easy to understand. There should be no disagreement.
Thats why the Church teaches what it means. Leaving the interpretation up to the unwashed masses has resulted in the theological anarchy present in the non-Catholic world.
Like Catholicism is united in what it believes and that is somehow mysteriously supposed to make it inherently better? What a joke! Just the EO and Roman rite being in schism for over 1,000 puts that lie to rest.
Not only that, the Catechism of the Catholic church is clear as mud. It's available for anyone who wants to read it and complicates the gospel far beyond anything the Jews, the pharisees and sadduscees of Jesus' day, added to the Law to complicate the Law God gave Israel.
So who in Catholicism is going to interpret the (alleged) interpretation of the gospel that Catholicism allegedly gives the world through the CCC?
Obviously Mary was blessed by God and found favor from God, and was a virgin when Jesus was born. From the scriptures it also seems clear that Joseph was a faithful husband and treated Mary with love and they had a healthy relationship which included sexual relations with her, as God designed us.
Matthew 1:24-25
Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
Nor would I leave my surgery to a witch doctor, which is spiritually what Catholicism is with all the lies and syncretism they add to their message.
You all Catholics do not trust the Holy Spirit to lead and guide people into the truth. HE is the only one who has the ability to draw one to Christ and enlighten people to the message of the gospel.
Nonsense. If the blood of Christ is not adequate to deal with all our sin, then NOTHING we add to it is going to change anything. No amount of suffering on our part can change that. Because if suffering for our own sin were able to cleanse it, then Christ died for nothing.
No such place as purgatory. You die with sine on your record, you go to hell. Catholicism simply does not believe that Jesus shed blood is enough, nor was His work non the cross enough. It don’t believe His word and don’t trust Him to do as He promises in it.
I’ve never heard of this confession of faith, but I’m not Presbyterian. Still, I don’t see anything wrong with it. What doesn’t line up with Scripture?
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Since Mar 19, 2023
BTW, welcome to FR.
Your experience on the Religion Forum is noted.
** But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's purposes, but men's.” ***
He knew what He had to do, but as a man - knew that it would be terrible. Even more terrible perhaps as the Triune God, to be separated from the Father. (A mystery to me how that works, but...)
Interesting that even IF Jesus was tempted to opt out of the Crucifixion, instead of doing it of His own accord, He prayed to God that He wouldn't have to go through with it - but ended the prayer saying that God's will be done. A good reminder to me that when I'm tempted by something - pray!
I bet Jesus was thinking about Abraham and Issac during that prayer as well!
“Things are going to get interesting in the next few months and this kind of stuff will seem quite silly.”
Yep.
The church I go to has five fundamentals of faith. Seems pretty simple to me. On other issues (still important) even the various pastors (Protestant) disagree.
FUNDAMENTALS
TRINITY
There is one Triune God, eternally existing in three persons — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; co-eternal in being, co-eternal in nature, co-equal in power and glory, having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
In the words of the Athanasian Creed, “we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.”
DEITY OF CHRIST
The Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful man (John 1:1-2; John 1:14; Luke 1:35).
SALVATION BY GRACE
Salvation is the gift of God brought to man by grace and received by personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, whose precious blood was shed on Calvary for the forgiveness of our sins. This salvation is not by works but by grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross in our place for our sin (Ephesians 2:8–10, John 1:12; Ephesians 1:7; 1 Peter 1:18–19).
INERRANCY AND AUTHORITY OF SCRIPTURE
The Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the verbally inspired word of God, the final authority for faith and life, inerrant in the original writings, infallible, and God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21; Matthew 5:18; John 16:12-13).
RETURN OF CHRIST TO RULE, REIGN AND JUDGE
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ ascended into heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry as Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 7:25; Hebrews 9:24; Romans 8:34; 1 John 2:1–2). We believe Jesus is coming again to rule, reign and judge the living and the dead (1 Peter 4:5; Romans 14:9; 2 Timothy 4:1; Revelation 19:15-16).
I especially like the fact that those passages which are NOT necessary to be known - i.e., which merely provide "local color" or "interesting background" or are "allegorical" - are clearly marked as such, so that we can gloss over them in safety.
Also grateful that, in the New Testament, Jesus explicitly stated exactly which portions of, say, Leviticus were still in force, and which had become superseded.
Since otherwise He would have merely compounded the confusion.
Regards,
As didn’t most Christians until the Guttenberg press - 15 centuries after the death and Resurrection of Christ.
You are not correct.
If you say that the death and resurrection of Jesus was an insufficient sacrifice, you are a blasphemer. And so lost in your sins.
Are you then saying that Christ’s ultimate sacrifice on the cross was NOT good enough, NOT complete enough, NOT perfect enough to fully atone for our sins? That we would need to go to this purgatory place for more “works” of cleansing to take place, works that include the paying money to a priest for the saying of masses for us, and our “walking through fire” to further cleanse us (what ever form that takes) as if OUR actions or works have any power to complete the atonement that you say Christ did not complete?
My FRiend, Jesus Christ is ALL we need for salvation. It will not come from any works on our part, or the work or words from any priest. Faith alone in Christ alone, through His Grace alone is the ONLY way. And as we read in John 1:1-5:
“ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”Jesus is the WORD. The Bible is His words (breathed out by the Holy Spirit to those who wrote it down).
” All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” — 2 Timothy 3:16-17So we also add - Scripture alone. And for this salvation we give ALL the Glory to God alone. The five solas are not empty pretty words, they are the essence of God’s plan for our salvation and reuniting of us with HIM who is the WORD.
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