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Father Bux: ‘There Is Turmoil in the College of Cardinals’
Edward Pentin ^ | February 18, 2023 | Edward Pentin

Posted on 02/19/2023 1:15:51 PM PST by ebb tide

Father Bux: ‘There Is Turmoil in the College of Cardinals’

How serious is the current crisis in the Vatican and the Church and what does it portend for the future?

To obtain a clearer idea, I spoke with Father Nicola Bux, a respected theologian and former consultor to both the then-Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints.

In this interview, Father Bux sees some hope in a world that he sees as moving in a more conservative direction, but he questions whether bishops and cardinals are capable of leading the Church along the same path and therefore elect a suitable successor to Pope Francis.

The mood in the College of Cardinals is, however, changing, Father Bux says. “Half of the cardinal electors and many bishops are convinced we cannot go on this way and change is needed to put the Church in order if she is to remain Catholic — there is turmoil in the College of Cardinals, as there is among the priests,” he explains, but adds: “The ecclesial body is waking up from a state of anesthesia.”

Father Bux, what is the premise for your considerations on the crisis in the Church and how we could emerge out of it?

In order to be able to concretely discuss the prospects, predictions, hypotheses of a change of pontificate, many are convinced it is necessary to have understood who influenced Benedict XVI’s resignation and why. [Archbishop Georg] Gänswein asserts that it was unencumbered by influences, but he may not even have wanted to show those influences, and who influenced the appointment of the successor. The forces at play after ten years are the same and are stronger. Therefore, scenario building should identify and understand who would be “in play” in the next conclave and what game they would claim to play, with what goals, with what forces, alliances, and means, etc.

Basically, who would take the floor to support a Catholic candidate or a “progressive” candidate, taking into account also that the institutions that until recently knew and could influence such an event today (Opus Dei, Communion and Liberation) have been downsized? In practice, without knowing how a pope will be “elected” tomorrow, it will be almost impossible to make realistic scenarios.

In light of this, what is your first consideration?

Certainly, world power is going “to the right.” A crisis like the one going on in the West requires only conservative powers of the world to solve them. The progressive part of the left only knows how to create the problems. One might therefore be able to foresee a form of restoration, even in the supreme moral authority, the pope, on which the new Western power will want to lean. This is certainly a good thing, although one cannot imagine how a new pontiff will be able to rely on the current hierarchy and curia, or on all those who have roles in Church structures (think only of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences) that will not be easily changed any time soon.

Don Nicola Bux (Edward Pentin photo)

Would a conservative world power want, or know, how to provoke such a restoration?

This is my second consideration. Would they know how to do this, or would they want to maintain the process of secularization of the Church? Because restoration, as I understand it, would still mean creating a competitive arena of confrontation on moral, ethical themes, in the financial, economic field. I do not believe that a conservative return in the U.S. (with the Republicans) will result in a downsizing of the power of Silicon Valley or the major investment funds. Returning a little more to the right does not necessarily mean converting technocrats.

Why do you say this?

As a consultant to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, I was very struck in 2017 when I read Pope Francis’ apostolic letter, in which he created a new category of saints and blesseds, and secularizing the calendar. They would be, today, those who offer their lives (oblatio vitae) as martyrs of charity. But not the Christian charity of martyrs who bear witness to the faith (odium fidei). One example was the canonization of Archbishop Romero (martyr of charity) assassinated for his political choices not for matters of faith. Some theologians believe that this new category of oblatio vitae will allow the sanctification of political or economic ideologies considered exemplary, perhaps inspired by Gnostic circles. Why should a new conservative but still technocratic environment deprive itself of this opportunity?

Does that coincide with the Church’s general drift towards promoting more secular ideas than exclusively Catholic ones?

Yes, this brings me on to my third consideration. In the last decade, the Church has ceased to primarily defend traditional values (life, family, birth, heroic virtues…) but rather ecology, sustainable development, migration, etc., creating a system of umbilical relations with those advocating these values. This has changed the structure of international foreign relations. It will not be child’s play for the new pontificate to deal with this.

I try to imagine the appointment of a restorative pope, hoped for by so many, someone like Pius IX, for instance, perhaps writing a Syllabus of Errors for the 21st century [Pius’ 1864 Syllabus condemned a total of 80 errors or heresies, articulating Catholic Church teaching on a number of philosophical and political questions]. What would become of him, a new Porta Pia?  But also I imagine a Paul VI writing a document like Humanae vitae for today. Or a Benedict XVI writing the second part (which was omitted) of Caritas in Veritatewhere he tackles biotechnology.

Have we perhaps reached a point of no return?

A non-religious friend of mine, but in the Courtyard of the Gentiles, speaking to me a few months ago about the successor to Francis, said he saw it as a challenge between St. Michael the Archangel confronting the challenger who had just said “non serviam,” answering him “quis ut Deus? [Who is like God – the literal meaning of the name Michael]” The friend concluded by telling me: but if the Church is God’s work, is this not the time for Him to intervene?

From Cardinal Müller’s recent book In Good Faith: Religion in the 21st Century, the answer is apparent: the Church is riddled with apostasy, the precursor to schism: from the German synodical way, “lacking a coherent ecclesiological vision,” to the appointment of bishops who make puzzling statements because they often do not even have a theological bachelor’s degree, there is a disdain for theology and philosophy, not least because on more than one occasion the pope has directed very harsh words toward academia and professors of theology, especially toward those considered too anchored in tradition (coining for them the term “indietrists” and “indietrism”). Thus, for example in the liturgical sphere, they took him for a ride, “some professors of the Ateneo Sant’Anselmo” who “manipulated” the data of the survey of bishops about the implementation of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum.

And yet Pope Francis claimed to have had recourse to Pope Benedict to feel secure. How come in this case did he not consult him?

Frankly, rather than lending faith to Francis’ statements, it is better to stick to the facts. In his most recent interview, Francis said that he loves criticism from those who speak to his face. This is not true. In fact, he does not respond to those who speak to him, even politely, as seen with the Dubia of the four cardinals, to which, in any case, sooner or later, he or his successor will have to respond. Thus, Müller can rightly observe, “anyone who raises constructive criticism is accused of making opposition, of being an enemy of Francis.”

I do not believe that Bergoglio is swayed by “fraudulent” advisers, but by “courtiers” who pander to him in what he thinks and likes to hear. Notice how, as quickly as he becomes infatuated with a bishop and appoints him a cardinal [i.e. Cardinal Giorgio Marengo whom he first met only a few days before announcing his elevation to the Sacred College], he becomes disenchanted with him and casts him out [i.e. Cardinal Angelo Becciu whom he elevated to cardinal and two years later dismissed him because of unproven allegations of corruption]. Not to mention former associates of Francis, such as Enzo Bianchi, who came out with broken bones.

 So what can be done to resolve this crisis?

Certainly half of the cardinal electors and many bishops are convinced we cannot go on this way and change is needed to put the Church in order if she is to remain Catholic. There is turmoil in the College of Cardinals, as there is among the priests [but] the ecclesial body is waking up from a state of anesthesia.

But as Joseph Ratzinger affirmed, the crisis of the Church is contingent upon the collapse of the liturgy, and the remedy lies in the “hermeneutics of continuity and reform of the one subject-Church,” I would add it is in the “reform of liturgical reform” he initiated. The funeral of Benedict XVI highlighted that he, in his thinking, nurtured in the Church a reality of the grassroots, despite the “laboratories of utopias” in it. It takes time, and this reality, like a karstic river, will re-emerge. Impostures are doomed to failure.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: antipope; apostatepope; dictatorpope; donatetofreerepublic; frankenchurch

1 posted on 02/19/2023 1:15:51 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; kalee; markomalley; miele man; Mrs. Don-o; ...

Ping


2 posted on 02/19/2023 1:17:57 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The Catholic Church needs to make clerical celibacy optional and rid itself of all the homosexuals in its clergy. Should also disband the Jesuit order.


3 posted on 02/19/2023 1:36:56 PM PST by allendale
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To: ebb tide
It's a great interview, but his conclusions are off -- perhaps intentionally so -- in that all the discussion about the next Pope fail to grasp the obvious...
"The Latinx experiment has failed, now they will surely go black.

Cardinal Robert Sarah is 77 and a hard conservative (Friend Of Benedict, gasp), so much so that Francis removed him from the Liturgy council in 2021.

Cardinal Peter Turkson is only 73 and much more of a moderate, but showed strength when he told Francis to take this job and shove it, when Turkson abruptly quit the Dicastery for Integral Human Development late 2021 after Francis ordered an invest to be headed by an American Cardinal.

The only American black Cardinal Wilton Gregory is a non-starter. He is a boob. Window dressing.

There is Archbishop Novatus Rugambwa, he's only 64 but Francis basically exiled him from Rome a decade ago, gave him Honduras and if that wasn't remote enough, transferred him to Oceania.

So I'll take Pope Robert I, thank yew very much.
4 posted on 02/19/2023 1:39:58 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: ebb tide
... without knowing how a Pope will be “elected” tomorrow, it will be almost impossible to make realistic scenarios.

Why does the writer make this statement? Have the rules and protocol for electing a Pope been changed?

5 posted on 02/19/2023 1:40:06 PM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: ebb tide

“Los Angeles Catholic Bishop David O’Connell was shot and killed on Saturday.”

Pope Marx is sending out hit teams?


6 posted on 02/19/2023 1:41:39 PM PST by Paladin2 (0%?)
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To: Paladin2
Pope Marx is sending out hit teams?

I believe O'Connell was appointed by Pope Francis.

7 posted on 02/19/2023 1:47:57 PM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: ebb tide
headline: "There Is Turmoil in the College of Cardinals"

It's the ongoing rumbles between Sigma Chi and the Alpha Phi Alphas. Ugly stuff.

8 posted on 02/19/2023 2:12:42 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: ebb tide

Prayers up for Holy Mother Church.


9 posted on 02/19/2023 2:33:32 PM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: JesusIsLord
Why does the writer make this statement? Have the rules and protocol for electing a Pope been changed?

Have you heard of the St. Galen Mafia and its influence on the last papal conclave?

10 posted on 02/19/2023 2:56:55 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Have you heard of the St. Galen Mafia?

No, but just read about it on Wiki, who said it ceased in 2014.

11 posted on 02/19/2023 3:12:55 PM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: JesusIsLord

Wiki is wrong.


12 posted on 02/19/2023 3:14:40 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: allendale

Celibaby is optional—no one is (or at least should be) forced to embrace the clerical state.

Two out of three isn’t bad, and you finish quite strongly.

When the number of clergy is in six digits, it is impossible to stamp out any vice entirely, but a good solid push in the right direction could deal with most of it.


13 posted on 02/19/2023 3:28:06 PM PST by Hieronymus
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To: JesusIsLord

And Bergoglio has been strengthening the Mafia with new cardinals like Cupich, Gregory, McElroy, Nighty-nite Tobin, etc.


14 posted on 02/19/2023 3:30:27 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: allendale

In the over-sexualized society priestly celibacy is essential.


15 posted on 02/20/2023 8:24:40 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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