Doesn't surprise me in the least. I find it very believable. Practically the entire civilized world has been barrelling down the "Woke" highway for many years.
"You mean you won't give me my Safe Space? NOOOOOOO!!! ........"
Posted on 11/29/2022 11:09:10 AM PST by ebb tide
(LifeSiteNews) — In a new interview with America Magazine, Pope Francis upheld the humanity of our unborn brothers and sisters but refused to say that they were, well, people.
“Therefore, there is a living human being,” he said of the month-old fetus. “I do not say a person, because this is debated, but a living human being.”
But in the United States of America, the personhood of the unborn child is a big deal.
A whole movement called Personhood rose up to demand for the right to life of unborn children being protected in law.
There is legal significance to being recognized as a person. The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States states: “Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Now, I know this might come as a shocker, but Pope Francis in his answer to the question on abortion did not say something heretical. I checked with the best theologian I know and learned that the Church has never defined the unborn child as a “person” but has always said the unborn has personal dignity. The medieval theologians did not know about the development and genetics of the child in the womb, so they debated things like when the soul enters the body. Given modern genetic understanding, it seems clear now, but there has been no dogmatic declaration.
READ: Georgians ask gov. for special legislative session to add personhood amendment to state constitution
That said, Donum Vitae, the 1987 teaching document of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith on the gift of life, says that “The human being must be respected – as a person – from the very first instant of his existence.”
And Pope Francis did deliver that message of respect for the unborn human being. Here was the question put to him by America’s Gloria Purvis and the important part of his answer:
Purvis: Holy Father, abortion is a heavily politicized issue in the United States. We know it is wrong. And the United States Supreme Court recently ruled that there is no constitutional right to abortion. However, it still seems to plague the church in the sense that it separates us. Should the bishops prioritize abortion in relation to other social justice issues?
Pope Francis: On abortion, I can tell you these things, which I’ve said before. In any book of embryology it is said that shortly before one month after conception the organs and the DNA are already delineated in the tiny fetus, before the mother even becomes aware. Therefore, there is a living human being. I do not say a person, because this is debated, but a living human being. And I raise two questions: Is it right to get rid of a human being to resolve a problem? Second question: Is it right to hire a “hit man” to resolve a problem? The problem arises when this reality of killing a human being is transformed into a political question, or when a pastor of the church uses political categories.
What was more controversial in the interview was the Pope’s talk of polarization. Here’s another question put to him by America Magazine:
Sam Sawyer, S.J.: … [W]e have seen not only political polarization grow deeper, also polarization within the life of the church. How can the church respond to polarization within its own life and help respond to polarization in society?
Pope Francis replied:
Polarization is not Catholic. … The more harmony there is between the differences and the opposites the more Catholic it is. The more polarization there is, the more one loses the Catholic spirit and falls into a sectarian spirit.
Now, with regard to the polarization in the Church hierarchy – among the bishops, that division is very clear. It is between those bringing another, different, gospel, and those trying to maintain traditional Catholic teaching, especially in the areas of life and family. And sadly, Pope Francis himself is in that mix.
One of the major areas of division is over homosexuality. There is the Fr. James Martin heretical approach of embracing homosexual relationships, espoused by many bishops in the USA including Cardinals Cupich, Tobin, and Gregory, and then there is the traditional Catholic approach of loving those tempted with homosexuality and counseling them to refrain from such behaviors for the good of their souls and to recognize God’s laws about sexual morality.
Another area of division is over abortion. Those same bishops who are for the heretical approach on homosexuality try to undermine the teaching against abortion by including at the same level issues which are not at all on the same level as abortion. Issues such as immigration and ‘climate change’. Sadly, Pope Francis falls into this camp on both issues.
So, yes, there is division or polarization, but just blithely accepting falsehoods alongside the truth is not the way to go.
In fact, the Scriptures are very clear on how to deal with those presenting falsehoods in the Church.
In 1 Corinthians 5:11, St. Paul says: But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother [a fellow Catholic] if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. Similarly in Romans 16:17, Paul writes: Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.
In his second letter, St. John says the same thing: “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds” (2 John 10-11).
But what about the fact that this is coming from Pope Francis and so many cardinals and bishops?
Well, St. Paul has the answer for our question. In his letter to the Galatians St. Paul wrote:
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospe—which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. [Gal. 1: 6-12]
Fake Christian.
Ping
Friggin’ unbelievable
The big diff between the Pope and atheists is that atheists admit that they don’t believe in God.
Crazy Frank planning to run in the US as a democrat?
Doesn't surprise me in the least. I find it very believable. Practically the entire civilized world has been barrelling down the "Woke" highway for many years.
"You mean you won't give me my Safe Space? NOOOOOOO!!! ........"
At least the Woke protester guy can afford an expensive, brand-new green coat. (Likely funded by George Soros.)
ANTI-Pope. NOT the Pope.
He’s a Jesuit... and it shows. Dissembling and equivocating (definition of ‘person’) is what they do.
he calls a fetus a living human being....it’s like the define woman cr** by the ussc’s latest token...
Francis: won’t comment on unborn children as “persons.”
Michael Lofton: this requires much nuance to understand.
Actually this comes as a steaming pile of BS.
Getting people to accept fetuses as persons might convince some, but not all.
How can Catholics get rid of an heretical pope?
He's channeling Mario Cuomo ... Is he also "personally opposed, but doesn't want to impose his morality on others"?
Then, I guess, I’m going to use the same arguments with any enviro-Nazi who wants to harangue me about turtle or eagle eggs. They are not “actually” turtles or eagles until after they’ve hatched ... and maybe not even then.
Your logic is inescapable.
Enviro-Nazi minds, however, are orthogonal to logic.
“it seems clear now, but there has been no dogmatic declaration. “
I guess he skipped Sunday school when they read Jeremiah.
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
Before you were born I set you apart”
The Pope is a Socialists by actions and words. If one looks at his activities in Argentina and associates prior to becoming Pope, I suspect his is a closet Marxist and perhaps this is not his only closet. For some strange reason he is weak on ridding the church of child predator priests.
He did rid the church of one thing, it was me. I still worship but will not in a church led by this pope.
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