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To: Cronos

——>And Thess 4 is saying “with the voice of an archangel” - meaning loud for all to hear

The KJV says “the” archangel. And, no created being is able to raise the dead with their voice. Other translations have it not as a shout, but a COMMAND, as in commanding the dead in Christ to rise. Christ and Michael are one in the same. Christ is “called” Michael, another name/title.

Why would Catholics believe that created beings can raise the dead? Doesn’t make any sense.

Why would you say the Archangel is the one who shouts “loud for all to hear”, when the subject of the text is the “Lord”? And, it’s not a shout, it’s a command, to raise the dead. John 5 makes that very clear. Your statement doesn’t make any sense.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


307 posted on 11/15/2022 5:17:51 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

t 1 Thess 4:16 the “the” is added into the KJV.

The Greek of the phrase in 1 Thess 4:16 is φωνῇ ἀρχαγγέλου = “voice/sound of archangel”. There is no definite article in the Greek

Back to 1 Thess 4:16. The need or otherwise of a definite article before “archangel” is debateable here. The word archangel only occurs twice in the NT: here and in Jude 9. In the Hebrew it also occurs in Dan 12:1 and simply means a leader of the angels.

So the translation would be more apt of “voice of archangel” - with it being ambiguous linguistically speaking on whether it is “the” or “an”

Jesus is not Michael, Jesus is God.
Michael is a created being - one of the archangels. i.e. “Princes of angels” as Daniel 12 indicates


309 posted on 11/15/2022 7:38:18 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Philsworld
And, no created being is able to raise the dead with their voice.

God can delegate authority. Mat 8:9-13
310 posted on 11/15/2022 10:14:48 AM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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