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To: Elsie
Why would St. Paul confuse his converts in this way?

That's a darned good question!!
,br> 2 Peter 3:16 niv He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


Hmmm... Scripture... Hard to Understand? Easy to distort?

Free for all !!!

After re-reading the 2nd most famous 3:16….
I would hope
You should realize you are making an argument AGAINST sola scriptura.


541 posted on 05/20/2022 10:57:57 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (If their purpose is of human origin, it will fail.But if from God, you will not be able to stop them)
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To: MurphsLaw; Luircin; imardmd1; aMorePerfectUnion; Mark17; Elsie; SouthernClaire; boatbums; metmom
What did Jesus do with the two who were on their way to Damascus? He opened for their understanding the written scriptures which were sufficient to detail Him and His coming. THAT would be the kind of Bible study mankind needs so profoundly now ... and it is written before there was even a New Testament of Him and His Body of Believers (established int he same fashion as He explained to Nicodemus in John 3 and the brass snake raised up in the desert). It is by belief that salvation is obtained, not by any works we may or may not do.

Jesus told you that blasphemies against Him, against His sacrifice for you can be forgiven, but blasphemies against the Holy Spirit WILL NOT be forgiven. Which blasphemy is committed by miss-characterizing the remebrance ritual of bread and wine?

And finally, our friend Elsie made a most profound posting when he noted for us all that the proof of Jesus using simile is displayed on the night in which Jesus was betrayed, when He in person took bread and broke it and gave it to His disciples saying this is my body about to be sacrificed for you. Elsie noted that there would be two bodies there if the bread was really the body of the Christ breaking the bread! In that profound realization it is plain that Jesus was using the bread to SIGNIFY His body and the wine to SIGNIFY His blood. Jesus further poured out the last cup of wine, calling it wine, the last cup in the Passover ritual. And He referred to it as wine and further told His disciples that He would not drink that cup of wine until He dioes it with them in His Father's Kingdom ... we will have passover celebration during the millennial reign of Chrst!

And Paul in relating that scene to his converts cautions them to be discerning of the Body of Christ Believers who might not be as economically fortunate by rejecting those fellow members of the Body of Christ. In rejecting fellow members they would be making themselves guilty of cannibalizing the body and blood of the Savior by not discerning correctly the fellow members making up the Body of Christ Ekklesia.

On the night He was betrayed, He had His discioples particiopate in the Blood of Christ by using the symbols to point to the actual. In so doing they are SPIRITUALLY partaking of / participating in the sacrificial power of His innocent blood shed for them ... and that was an event enacted BEFORE HE SHED HIS BLOOD FOR THEM AND US ON THE CROSS. That juxtaposition of time should be the biggest clue to you that the remembrance is not an actual sacrifice byu a ritual for remembering the power in the Blood of Jesus, power which redeems me nit by drinking His blood but by believing His blood is the power I must have to be redeemed and only He can Grace me with that blood in the spiritual realm, not at a Catholic altar, in the spiritual realm, God is Spirit and MUST BE worshiped in spirit and truth.

542 posted on 05/20/2022 1:00:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MurphsLaw
You should realize you are making an argument AGAINST sola scriptura.

Oh?

How?


You really need to BOLD the next few words...

...which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


Remember that Call no man father thingy?

549 posted on 05/20/2022 7:32:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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