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To: marshmallow

Marjorie Taylor Greene, you are still a Catholic and always will be a Catholic, even though you might be an inactive one.

Please pray to the Holy Spirit and your Guardian Angel for true guidance back to the church. All you need to do is sit down and talk with a priest.


11 posted on 05/13/2022 6:20:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
"Please pray to the Holy Spirit and your Guardian Angel for true guidance back to the church."

And Prayer to created beings in Heaven (PTCBIH) certainly does not come from the Bible and the NT church of it. Nowhere in Scripture do we see any believers engaging in prayer to created beings in Heaven , or instructed to do so, despite the Spirit inspiring the recording of over 200 prayers by believers, and despite this being a most basic practice, and despite there always being plenty of created beings to pray to, and occasions for it since the Fall. Yet the only prayers or offerings in Scripture to anyone else in the spiritual world is by pagans, including to the only Queen of Heaven see therein.

Failing to find even one example of PTCBIH, and with instruction on who to address in prayer to Heaven only being that of to the Lord, thus you must resort to eisegetical extrapolation, presuming those in Heaven can not only hear/understand all prayers from earth, mental or oral (which only God is shown able to do), but that we are to address them, though again the Holy Spirit never mentions even one example of doing so.

Meanwhile, from what I recall, any two-way communication btwn created beings in Heaven and earth required both to somehow be present in the same location, and was not that of asking them to intercede to God for them, and was very rare.

Note that elders and angels offering prayers (Rv. 5:8; 8:4,5) in memorial - like as in Lv. 2:2,15,16; 24:7; Num. 5:15; 16:9, "an offering of memorial" cf. Num. 16:9, - is not that of them being addressed in prayer, nor does it indicate that they had heard them previously, nor is it described as being a regular postal service, but it is one of the things which is a preclude to the final judgments upon the earth, testifying to the persecutions of the saints by the devil and world that it fit to be punished.

For when "He maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. (Psalms 9:12; cf. Genesis 4:10) and before judgment God brings forth testimony of the warrant for it, which includes the cry of those martyred souls under the altar in Rv. 6:9, and with odors representing prayer, akin to Leviticus 6:15, "burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour, even the memorial of it, unto the Lord." (Leviticus 6:15)

Nor can Prayer to created beings in Heaven be extrapolated from general commands to pray or from requests for pray from other believers on earth, for this ignores the God-ordained divisions btwn realms. Which is why Christ had to come down to this earth, while only God is shown able to hear all prayer from Heaven, which is a Divine privilege and attribute nowhere shown to be given to humans.

The only heavenly intercessor btwn man and God is said to be Jesus Christ, (1 Timothy 2:5) and by Him believers have immediate spiritual access with humble contrite boldness into the holy of holies in Heaven to pray to the Lord God, (Hebrews 10:19) while the Spirit within believers cries out “Abba, Father,” (Galatians 4:6) and not “Mama, Mother.”

And believers kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods) - including having the uniquely Divine power and glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them - would constitute worship in Scripture.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?


19 posted on 05/13/2022 6:36:48 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save U + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Salvation
All you need to do is sit down and talk with a priest.

People aren’t as stupid as you seem to think they are. They can think and read for themselves and nobody with a modicum of spiritual discernment would go to a Catholic priest for advice on spiritual matters.

Why would someone ask a priest who is likely as not a homosexual child molester for advice on a relationship with God? Cause that priest certainly wouldn’t have one.

33 posted on 05/13/2022 7:37:08 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: Salvation

How about just praying to the One mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ?

1 Timothy 2:5, “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.”


43 posted on 05/13/2022 9:03:51 PM PDT by StayoutdaBushesWay (Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding)
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To: Salvation

That’s just dumb.


3,386 posted on 07/19/2022 4:28:56 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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