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A Masterpiece on the Immaculate Conception
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8th, 2021 | Michael Pakaluk

Posted on 12/08/2021 2:19:08 PM PST by MurphsLaw

s it possible for a memorandum to be a masterpiece? A few paragraphs long, dashed off ex tempore, for a friend, not polished? Various columns in TCT have appreciated masterpieces – a poem, a painting, a musical work. But could a memorandum ever be accounted a “masterpiece”?

I have in mind Newman’s “Memorandum on the Immaculate Conception” – written off by the Cardinal,” his editor says, “for Mr. R. I. Wilberforce, formerly Archdeacon Wilberforce, to aid him in meeting the objections urged by some Protestant friends against the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception.”
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That’s it, “written off” – a memorandum is something written off, dashed off, tossed off.

Surely a master can “dash off” a masterpiece: witness the Gettysburg Address, a Shakespeare sonnet, a Scarlatti sonata. And so we look to Newman’s “Memorandum” without worries as truly a spiritual masterpiece.

Newman begins: “It is so difficult for me to enter into the feelings of a person who understands the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, and yet objects to it, that I am diffident about attempting to speak on the subject.” He adds, “I was accused of holding it, in one of the first books I wrote, twenty years ago. On the other hand, this very fact may be an argument against an objector – for why should it not have been difficult to me at that time, if there were a real difficulty in receiving it?”

Already, astonishing brilliance. He imagines someone raising difficulties, and his task would be to understand those difficulties and reply to them. But he can’t see any difficulties. Maybe he’s incompetent even to speak on the subject?

He turns this concern on its head. Many years ago, as a young Anglican minister, long before the pope’s definition, Newman had already come to hold that doctrine, naturally and easily. But he couldn’t have done if it had involved difficulties. So he has the requisite competence, which is to speak to the naturalness of the doctrine!

Here is that earlier passage, from the Parochial and Plain Sermons:

Who can estimate the holiness and perfection of her, who was chosen to be the Mother of Christ? If to him that hath, more is given, and holiness and divine favour go together (and this we are expressly told). . . .What must have been her gifts, who was chosen to be the only near earthly relative of the Son of God, the only one whom He was bound by nature to revere and look up to; the one appointed to train and educate Him, to instruct Him day by day, as He grew in wisdom and stature? This contemplation runs to a higher subject, did we dare to follow it; for what, think you, was the sanctified state of that human nature, of which God formed His sinless Son; knowing, as we do, that “that which is born of the flesh is flesh,” and that “none can bring a clean thing out of an unclean?”

Then come a series of devastating arguments as to why there are no difficulties in the doctrine. If there is no difficulty in saying that Eve was created without sin – if there is no risk of turning her into a deity – what is the great difficulty in saying that Mary was created without sin? If we hold that John the Baptist was cleansed of original sin in the womb, then why not Mary from an even earlier point in the womb? If there is no difficulty in saying that you and I are cleansed from original sin at some later point in our lives by baptism – if our saying so in no way detracts from the merits of the Lord – then wouldn’t Mary’s being cleansed even earlier in her life make her even more dependent on the Lord?

"We do not say that she did not owe her salvation to the death of her Son. Just the contrary, we say that she, of all mere children of Adam, is in the truest sense the fruit and the purchase of His Passion. He has done for her more than for anyone else. To others He gives grace and regeneration at a point in their earthly existence; to her, from the very beginning."

Newman then considers the antiquity of the doctrine. Why? Because “No one can add to revelation. That was given once for all; – but as time goes on, what was given once for all is understood more and more clearly.” You might wish to copy out these lines as proof of what Newman meant by “development of doctrine.” It did not allow for any new revelation. What it means, rather, is this: “The greatest Fathers and Saints in this sense have been in error, that, since the matter of which they spoke had not been sifted, and the Church had not spoken, they did not in their expressions do justice to their own real meaning.”

He focuses on the contrast between Mary and Eve in the earliest writings of the Fathers, and especially the proto-evangelion: “See the direct bearing of this upon the Immaculate Conception... There was war between the woman and the Serpent. This is most emphatically fulfilled if she had nothing to do with sin – for, so far as any one sins, he has an alliance with the Evil One.”

Newman’s masterpiece concludes: “I say it distinctly – there may be many excuses at the last day, good and bad, for not being Catholics; one I cannot conceive: ‘O Lord, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was so derogatory to Thy grace, so inconsistent with Thy Passion, so at variance with Thy word in Genesis and the Apocalypse, so unlike the teaching of Thy first Saints and Martyrs, as to give me a right to reject it at all risks, and Thy Church for teaching it. It is a doctrine as to which my private judgment is fully justified in opposing the Church’s judgment. And this is my plea for living and dying a Protestant.’”



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To: MayflowerMadam

Knots are the bane of anyone who sews existence.


441 posted on 12/19/2021 3:25:32 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: af_vet_1981

Try to catch the difference between denotative and connotative ... Israel the people, the nation with whom God covenanted are the only one of your choices which fits for the bringing forth of Messiah.


442 posted on 12/19/2021 4:46:27 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: af_vet_1981
Here is the un-Catholicised verse 15 of Genesis 3:

and enmity I put between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he doth bruise thee -- the head, and thou dost bruise him -- the heel.' Young's Literal Translation.

443 posted on 12/19/2021 4:50:57 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: af_vet_1981
Israel is a prince, not a princess, and cannot be a mother.

Does the bride of Christ, contain only women, or can men get a piece of the action too?

444 posted on 12/19/2021 5:06:15 PM PST by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: Elsie

Your turn. 😀😊


445 posted on 12/19/2021 5:22:19 PM PST by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: Mark17
Does the bride of Christ, contain only women, or can men get a piece of the action too?

Do you mean the "body of Christ" since The ekklēsia is never explicitly called "the bride of Christ" in the New Testament. , or do you think it is also Israel like the woman in Revelation ?




446 posted on 12/19/2021 5:36:40 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: MHGinTN
Here is the un-Catholicised verse 15 of Genesis 3:

Do you reject the King James Version which was quoted (and linked) ?

I thought the King James Version was an official authorized, recognized, and accepted Protestant version, rather than Young's Literal Translation or any of the modern versions.
447 posted on 12/19/2021 5:39:28 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: MHGinTN
Try to catch the difference between denotative and connotative ... Israel the people, the nation with whom God covenanted are the only one of your choices which fits for the bringing forth of Messiah.

To which definition of Israel are you referring ?
448 posted on 12/19/2021 5:44:45 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981
I am referring to the marriage feast of the lamb, described in Revelation 19. The groom needs a bride. Whether you call them the body of Christ or the bride of Christ, it’s the same to me. Whether or not, the actual, physical words “bride of Christ,” are there, or not, doesn’t matter to me. Remember, the word “Trinity,” is not in the Bible, but the concept surely is. The word “Bible,” is not in the Bible, but the concept of the Bible is there. The words sola scriptura are not in the Bible, but I never go beyond what is written. By the way, that’s why I don’t accept “tradition,” as legitimate, since no one can say, specifically, what those traditions are. If they could, perhaps I might accept some of it, and reject other parts. Since I don’t know what “traditions” are, I can’t accept or reject them, till I see them. If you want to call the church the body of Christ, you can. I will also call the church the bride of Christ. We are both right.
This issue is not really all that important. What IS important, is the plan of salvation. How do you plan to stay out of the fires of hell?
449 posted on 12/19/2021 7:31:43 PM PST by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: Mark17
Whether you call them the body of Christ or the bride of Christ, it’s the same to me. ...

If you want to call the church the body of Christ, you can.


    From your comments and answers it seems to me this is your position:
  1. The "body of Christ" and the "bride of Christ" are synonymous terms even if only one is in the scriptures verbatim.
  2. The Church is the "body of Christ" and the "bride of Christ"
  3. Israel is neither the "body of Christ" not the "bride of Christ"


Is that fair characterization of what you believe ?
450 posted on 12/19/2021 8:06:35 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

A yes from me, too. That is a succinct rendering well and truly stated.


451 posted on 12/19/2021 8:38:28 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: af_vet_1981
You may feel free to call the church whatever you want. It’s not important. Sometimes they are called the body of Christ, the bride of Christ, the children of God, the children of the kingdom, children of the King, Children of the Lord, born again believers, children of promise. I don’t care what you call believers. It’s ok. I only care about heaven of hell. You should too.
It doesn’t matter a hill of beans what you want to call believers, I just want to know, what will keep you from the fires?🔥 It doesn’t matter what you call believers, if you end up in the fires 🔥 of hell. People who end up in the flames, can say, between the flames, at least I called believers by the RIGHT name. I think that will be of little solace.
When God says, depart from me, I never knew you, he couldn’t care less, if you called true believers by a certain name. He won’t care. Stay out of hell bro. It’s no kind of future, but it awaits most of the people of the world. Do not go there bro.
452 posted on 12/19/2021 8:38:36 PM PST by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: af_vet_1981

Now that you have posted an accurate rendering, be sure to think correctly on ‘the Church’. The word of God uses Ekklesia which is translated in English Church. The Ekklesia is made up of ALL those since that fateful Day of Pentecost who have come to believe in Whom God sent for their salvation. The Church is not an ORG, it is a spiritual new man. The Church is the entire body of believers throughout History whom God is coming for, to transform the living into higher dimensional variable beings, and place the spirits God brings with Jesus into new bodies and souls fit for eternal living in a physical, glorified body. God has Jesus coming for the entire Ekklesia, alive or long dead.


453 posted on 12/19/2021 8:45:39 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: af_vet_1981
The Ekklesia spiritual new man ishallmarked by the abiding of God in their human spirits. That abiding Presence of God is what is taken out of the way, to allow the evil one to bound upon the scene. You can see it predicted in chapter five of The Revelation and following. Paul wrote of it in 2nd Thess 2 and following.

I realize Catholics have been taught that there is no such thing as a pre-Trib removal of the Ekklesia, but the Bible indicates otherwise. Don't be here after the removal. It will be hell on Earth for the survivors of the chaos created by the removal of hundreds of millions of alive members of the Body of Christ new man.

454 posted on 12/19/2021 8:50:49 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: metmom

Many are those
who rips what they sews.


455 posted on 12/20/2021 4:09:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

Warmin’ up.


456 posted on 12/20/2021 4:10:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay...


457 posted on 12/20/2021 4:10:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

https://youtu.be/ZCqh5ROtQRg


458 posted on 12/20/2021 5:39:25 AM PST by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: MHGinTN; af_vet_1981
The Catechism of the Roman Catholic church also refers to believers as the Bride of Christ. For example:

    789 The comparison of the Church with the body casts light on the intimate bond between Christ and his Church. Not only is she gathered around him; she is united in him, in his body. Three aspects of the Church as the Body of Christ are to be more specifically noted: the unity of all her members with each other as a result of their union with Christ; Christ as head of the Body; and the Church as bride of Christ.

    The Church is the Bride of Christ

    796 The unity of Christ and the Church, head and members of one Body, also implies the distinction of the two within a personal relationship. This aspect is often expressed by the image of bridegroom and bride. the theme of Christ as Bridegroom of the Church was prepared for by the prophets and announced by John the Baptist.234 The Lord referred to himself as the "bridegroom."235 The Apostle speaks of the whole Church and of each of the faithful, members of his Body, as a bride "betrothed" to Christ the Lord so as to become but one spirit with him.236 The Church is the spotless bride of the spotless Lamb.237 "Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her."238 He has joined her with himself in an everlasting covenant and never stops caring for her as for his own body:239

    This is the whole Christ, head and body, one formed from many . . . whether the head or members speak, it is Christ who speaks. He speaks in his role as the head (ex persona capitis) and in his role as body (ex persona corporis). What does this mean? "The two will become one flesh. This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the Church."240 and the Lord himself says in the Gospel: "So they are no longer two, but one flesh."241 They are, in fact, two different persons, yet they are one in the conjugal union, . . . as head, he calls himself the bridegroom, as body, he calls himself "bride."242

    808 The Church is the Bride of Christ: he loved her and handed himself over for her. He has purified her by his blood and made her the fruitful mother of all God's children. (https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P28.HTM)

However, the children of Israel are the Bride of the LORD. See Bible Verses about Israel, Married to God

459 posted on 12/20/2021 8:15:01 PM PST by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Mark17

Thanks for NUTTIN!

I wandered off into a rabbit hole of vaguely linked Youtube videos, fueled by my insatiable curiosity about what lies just beyond the bend.


460 posted on 12/20/2021 11:17:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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